28th June 2010

“Jihad can be formed as a result of the teachings of an imam, but it boils down to a personal contract between Allah and the believer, based on an extreme interpretation of Islam. This effectively declares: 'If you feel very strongly that the rules in the Holy Koran about never injuring the innocent, and always respecting women and children, and respecting the rights of the kaffirs to remain non-believers, are subordinate to jihad, then these rules do not apply to you. Moreover, if you feel specifically enjoined to break these rules in pursuit of jihad and martyrdom, the reward shall be paradise and all the blissful wherewithal of the heavenly hereafter'. This notion of a personal contract with Allah, that authorises a believer to break even the most civilised and civilising laws of the Koran, is a sure-fire recipe for murderous irrationality and social anarchy.”

Kevin Myers

37 Responses to “28th June 2010”

  1. John Says:

    Sick fucks… just another day in paradise and anything promise and excuse to rape virgin woman and little boys… praise be to the dollar with blessings bestow upon the yen….

  2. Braathwaat Says:

    It’s only been about 2,000 years, sooner or later Muslims will figure this out.

  3. Sarah Says:

    It’s not all Muslims, just the ones that decide to interpret the Koran in an extremist way for their own means. There are fundamentalists in all religions, but that doesn’t mean they speak for every single follower of that faith. Don’t be one of those dumb atheists that think that way, you’ll disgrace us.

  4. solomon Says:

    Bravo Sarah….Bravo….clap…clap….clap…

  5. solomon Says:

    The Atheists, they are only screwing religion. Thats all theyre allways do.

  6. Braathwaat Says:

    Sarah, It’s the same old religious paradox. Should we put the blame on the killers who were acting in accord with a Book that they believe contained the absolute and literal Truth. Or on the book that instilled the hatred in them? There are many verses in the Koran (and Bible) in which there isn’t another possible interpretation other than what these fanatics do.

  7. Hypatia Says:

    It’s not all Muslims, just the ones that decide to interpret the Koran in an extremist way

    You mean the honest ones? The Koran is inherently hateful and violent. Try reading it!

    Allah wants Muslims to kill the infidels (unbelievers) wherever they are found (Koran 9:5)

    Peace will come only to those who submit to him (Koran 8:17, 48:29, and 65)

    Unbelievers should be killed (Koran 2:191, 3:141, 4:104, 4:89, 8:12-16, 9:5, 9:73-74, 9:123, 25:52…),

    Muslim apostates should be killed or chastised (Koran 2:39, 2:85, 3:85, 3:106, 4:89, 16:106, and 47:25-28)

    The heads and fingers of unbelievers should be cut off (Koran 5:33, 8:12, and 47:4)

    Put the infidels to death wherever they were found (Koran 2:191, 2:244, 4:89, 5:36, 9:5, and 9:29)

    Fighting is obligatory (Koran 2:216)

  8. Atheist MC Says:

    Unfortunately Sarah, the existence of religious moderates is not a reson for tolerance. In fact it is the enviroment of moderate religion that allows the extremes to flourish and gain legitimacy, especially in Islam where condemnation of Jihad is rarely forthcoming from the greater Islamic community.

  9. solomon Says:

    This lousy Hypatia is only citing fragments of the Quranic words to make it look bad. Allways trying to relate the quran with bad practices.

  10. Braathwaat Says:

    somomon, what is the “moderate” Muslim interpretation of the verses Hypatia quotes?

  11. Rozmarija Grauds Says:

    The estimated population in the USA of Muslims is currently between 2 million and 7 million. They don’t seem to announce themselves. They do not seem to be making explosives in the kitchen.
    While I’m atheist, I confess to not understanding religious followers, but Muslims in America appeared to have started out as an Identity Seeking group, I doubt they knew much about the writings of Mohammed, but wanted to distance themselves from WASPS and Catholics.

  12. Hypatia Says:

    sol:

    trying to relate the quran with bad practices.

    I don’t try to relate the Koran with bad practices. The Koran mandates bad practices itself!

    Why else are these verses in there Sol?

  13. Braathwaat Says:

    What makes the Koran even worst then the Bible (beyond the people reading them) are the verses are VERY specific & really not open to interpretation nor spoken in parables

  14. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    The ‘moderates’ in the Abrahamic faiths are simply the ones who choose not to actually follow the tenets of their holy books. I thank my lucky stars that the big majority of believers in the world actually don’t do what their books so plainly enjoin them to do. Which begs the question – If they REALLY believed what their books said, if they really believed those books to be inerrant records of their god’s instructions, wouldn’t they tremble not to follow even the least of the rules? Last I looked, Red Lobster was still running a successful business and almost no people are stoned to death (except in Islamic countries) over adultery.

  15. Sarah Says:

    1. None of you have read the Quran. It’s obvious. You’re probably just googling quotes to use for your arsenal of hatred. It does not harbor hatred but it is often interpreted that way.

    2. Religion is not the problem; religious zealots and mindless following is a problem. I don’t want to hear any more moronic responses talking about “wahh this book is so mean” when you haven’t even read it.

    3. Do you realize how hypocritical it sounds when all you’re doing is spewing hatred towards something you don’t understand? You’re no better than any of the fundamentalists in any of the religions. Only difference is you’re not covering your stupidity up with a book.

    You fundie atheists really make the rest of us with brains look bad. Shame on you.

  16. Sarah Says:

    “Should we put the blame on the killers who were acting in accord with a Book that they believe contained the absolute and literal Truth. Or on the book that instilled the hatred in them? There are many verses in the Koran (and Bible) in which there isn’t another possible interpretation other than what these fanatics do.”

    Put blame for WHAT exactly? You’re always looking for someone to blame when you don’t even know what you’re blaming them for. And there is ALWAYS another interpretation: you simply choose to ignore it.

  17. Sarah Says:

    ps: Yes I have read the Quran. Several times. In 3 languages. Thanks.

  18. Sarah Says:

    I’ll never have enough room to respond to all of these but I think the blog I just wrote responds to most of what you’re saying.

    http://religiousminds.wordpress.com/

  19. Ryedo Says:

    I’ll never understand how anyone can defend a book that, despite its good bits, calls for the death of – and openly demonizes others. It’s like a KKK member defending a pamphlet that calls for tea and biscuits[good bits] before the 8pm hanging of a black person[bad bits].

  20. Sarah Says:

    @Ryedo – it is not the book that is being defended, it is the interpretation of the book and the religion that is being defended. But to focus on only the bad parts of a religion and to spend all your time bashing a religion in its entirety because of the bad parts is not only a waste of time; it makes you look incredibly ignorant and it makes people think you didn’t actually take the time to study the religion.

    Fortunately while I am atheist I have taken the time to actually study various religions instead of basing my views on what the loud fundies say. That’s what we call education kids.

  21. solomon Says:

    Sarah,
    May God show you the way.Amen

  22. Sarah Says:

    I already have a way. Don’t be one of the dumb Christians either who thinks everyone needs to think like you. Both sides are disgraceful.

  23. Alavi Hossain Says:

    well Sarah, i have read the quran. twice all the way through in fact. and the 2nd time around i not only realized how ridiculous the claims were, but how hateful some of the verses are. no other modern religion has made women as inferior as islam has. islam in currently in it’s “dark age” as christianity was 700 years ago.

  24. Alavi Hossain Says:

    and of course there are good parts about any religion, but the bad always outweighs the good

  25. Sarah Says:

    @Alavi – that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. That doesn’t make it a fact just because you say the “bad outweighs the good” because for a lot of people it doesn’t.

    Key word in this reply: opinion.

  26. Ryedo Says:

    “But to focus on only the bad parts of a religion and to spend all your time bashing a religion in its entirety because of the bad parts is not only a waste of time; it makes you look incredibly ignorant and it makes people think you didn’t actually take the time to study the religion.”

    Sarah, I don’t want to sound patronising here, but why would anyone criticise the good parts of anything? Now, you’ve, obviously, admitted religion has bad parts. It’s those bad parts that I choose to address – as any concerned person would do. I don’t choose to criticise the good parts because that would be a waste of my time. Because I don’t criticise the good parts, I CAN’T POSSIBLY criticise religion in its entirety.

    I also don’t spend ALL of my time bashing religion. But you do seem to spend a great deal of time bashing those who criticise the harmful influences that stem from religion.

    Honestly, I’m beginning to think you’re a fundamentalist.

  27. Sarah Says:

    @Ryedo

    “Sarah, I don’t want to sound patronising here, but why would anyone criticise the good parts of anything? Now, you’ve, obviously, admitted religion has bad parts. It’s those bad parts that I choose to address – as any concerned person would do. I don’t choose to criticise the good parts because that would be a waste of my time. Because I don’t criticise the good parts, I CAN’T POSSIBLY criticise religion in its entirety.”

    Would you not have to criticize the religion in its entirety to determine the good and bad parts in the first place? Keep in mind the word “criticize” means to think about and question, not say bad things about.

    “I also don’t spend ALL of my time bashing religion. But you do seem to spend a great deal of time bashing those who criticise the harmful influences that stem from religion.”

    You don’t criticize anything because you’re not thinking. All you’re doing is spouting “wah wah wah religion is bad /angerface.” How cliche and useless.

    “Honestly, I’m beginning to think you’re a fundamentalist.”

    And I’m beginning to think you’re an idiot. Also why not comment on my blog like you did before? Hm? Too difficult for you?

  28. Ryedo Says:

    Sarah, OK. Perhaps I used the wrong choice of word. Of course, I don’t see why anyone would spend time faulting the good parts of religion. So again, I can’t possibly be bashing religion in its entirety as you seem to assume.

    I’ll certainly post on your blog later. For now, I need some sleep.

  29. Braathwaat Says:

    “Put blame for WHAT exactly? You’re always looking for someone to blame when you don’t even know what you’re blaming them for. And there is ALWAYS another interpretation: you simply choose to ignore it.”

    Terrorism throughout the world is exactly what I am blaming them for. You just don’t get people driving planes into buildings or suicide bombers without them believing they will receive some type of rewards in the afterlife.

  30. Sjburnt Says:

    Cap’n, AMC, Hypatia, and the rest of you who are still out here fighting the good fight, glad to see you are still posting. Good luck.

    I have resisted the urge to post here for a long time, mainly because the content is always the same – the same old troll Sollie baiting people who really ought to know better than to stoop to his or her level of idiocy.

    But today I saw remarks from Sarah that challenged rational credulity. Apparently, she is on her own little jihad.

    Using the same numbering:

    1. Yes, like many of us, I have also read the Koran. It is still nonsense. It still proposes that an omnipotent sky fairy is somehow in control. And yes, it most certainly does patently encourage hatred, misogyny and terror. And while, as Rozmarija stated above, ALL Muslims do not all seem to be making explosives in the kitchen, there are damn few are speaking out against their fellow brothers and sisters who DO make and use those explosives.

    2. Sarah, you are not thinking clearly. Religion is EXACTLY the problem. It was designed to control the feeble minded. Those religious zealots and mindless followers you mention are following – gee, pardon the snide tone here – but they are following RELIGION. Shocking, I know.

    3. Spewing hatred? By pointing out the obvious facts about religions?

    No one should fall for the specious argument that there is somehow ‘more’ to religious thought, or that we have not spent enough time studying the hidden mysteries of religion. That argument is nonsense. Period.

    Sarah, research something called ‘the coutier’s reply’ before posting this kind of drivel again. Take your time, understanding may come to you.

    Sarah, you loudly bray that you have brains, but a lot of your comments are truly arrogant, irrational, and unfounded. One might think that you were a troll. However, having visited your blog, I am now convinced that you are neither a rational thinker nor an atheist, but merely someone looking to get hits on his or her blog… …talk about shameless.

    Wow.

    I thought no one could sink lower than Sollie.

    Piss off Sarah, and come back with an attitude that reflects your meager level of intelligence. People here may still visit your blog, just out of curiosity.

    But, please, understand this: most of us do not have to bathe in manure to realize it is shit.

  31. Alavi Hossain Says:

    sarah,
    of course there are opinions and different interpretations about any religious text. but there are a lot of topics which are blatantly discriminatory and do not require discussion. such as punishing people who have gay sex. does it matter that solomon’s opinion is that it’s okay to do that? fuck no. i understand u trying to look and both sides and be more open-minded, but theres a point when one is so open-minded his brain falls out.

  32. Sarah Says:

    @Ryedo: “Of course, I don’t see why anyone would spend time faulting the good parts of religion. So again, I can’t possibly be bashing religion in its entirety as you seem to assume.”

    So your entire purpose in life is to find fault in everything. Fail.

    @Alavi “sarah,
    of course there are opinions and different interpretations about any religious text. but there are a lot of topics which are blatantly discriminatory and do not require discussion. such as punishing people who have gay sex. does it matter that solomon’s opinion is that it’s okay to do that? fuck no. i understand u trying to look and both sides and be more open-minded, but theres a point when one is so open-minded his brain falls out.”‘

    You’re so closed minded you’ve crushed your brain.

    @Braat:

    “Terrorism throughout the world is exactly what I am blaming them for. You just don’t get people driving planes into buildings or suicide bombers without them believing they will receive some type of rewards in the afterlife.”

    You cannot blame anyone other than the people who did it. I suppose you wouldn’t want to be blamed for the millions of Islamic people killed in the Middle East now would you? No. It is THEIR actions, not everyone else’ you bitter fuck.

    @Sjburnt

    Your opinions are irrelevant. I decided not to read all of that because you lack the level of intelligence required for debate. Shoo shoo, troll.

  33. Sarah Says:

    I’m absolutely done here. Speaking with any of you is a waste of time. Go ahead and get your last comments in to maintain your self esteem, I don’t care.

    Just because I’m not constantly bashing religion you decide to reduce yourselves to radical assumptions and blatant ignorance. You are all stating OPINIONS, and you don’t seem to realize it.

    Have fun, virgins. 😉

  34. GodKilla Says:

    sarah, having just read your blog i must say you do sound like an extremely angry person who clearly has a problem admitting that they may be wrong. your arrogant and strident language betrays you.

  35. GodKilla Says:

    yeah good one, you’re right and everyone else is wrong. Ever hear of NPD? i think you have it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

  36. Braathwaat Says:

    You cannot blame anyone other than the people who did it. I suppose you wouldn’t want to be blamed for the millions of Islamic people killed in the Middle East now would you? No. It is THEIR actions, not everyone else’ you bitter fuck.

    I put the blame not only on the people that commit the terror but also on the book that inspires them to do so! The lack of any serious outrage by “moderate” Muslims is a huge problem too. As for the millions of Muslims killed in the middle east, most have died from (a) other Muslims or (b) in wars that they started!

  37. Braathwaat Says:

    Sarah, you mention that you have read the Koran a number of times & I cannot help but wonder why you would choose to be a Muslim? You seem reasonably intelligent so it cannot have escaped your mind that Islam is hostile (to say the least) towards woman & the more a country accepts Islamic law the more hostile they become.