13th July 2010

“I can't say that it's the Koran that causes a husband to beat his wife, but when I was a translator in Holland and we condemned some men for beating their wives, they would pull out the Koran and say, 'Look here, Chapter 4, Verse 34, gives me a reason, and in fact even obligates me, to beat my wife if she's disobedient.'”

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

29 Responses to “13th July 2010”

  1. GodKilla Says:

    Once again a quote that highlights the role played by religions in providing a justification for the despicable actions of individuals. It’s worth repeating though a sentiment expressed by many of us on this forum that the fault lies not with the religion itself but with the individuals’ interpretation of it. In a secular environment like Holland the absence of the big brother ayatollah and his marauding henchmen means that you are free to abstain from this sort of ‘obligatory’ behaviour without fear of reprisal. If someone in this situation chooses of their own free will to beat a woman then the responsibility for that lies squarely on their own shoulders. Shame on anyone who thinks this is an acceptable way to behave in the 21st century.

  2. GodKilla Says:

    BTW, when was the last time you heard an atheist say ‘my atheism made me do it?’ Even the most famously despicable atheists – take Stalin for example – never once alluded to their lack of religious belief as a justification for their actions. It usually comes down to ideology.

  3. Braathwaat Says:

    The civilized world will wake up one day soon & realize that we can no longer accept this (and other) type of barbaric behavior from religion in general & Islam in particular.

  4. Atheist MC Says:

    It is the undeserved dispensation society gives to religion that allows people to use scripture as an excuse for bad behaviour. In an Islamic country the man would not even be censured for wife beating, but in the west cultural relativism and misplaced respect for religion still mutes criticism.

  5. robb Says:

    any schmuck who raises a hand to his wife…………..no matter what his beliefs……………….deserves to be killed. case closed.

  6. robb Says:

    any schmuck who raises a hand to his wife…………..no matter what his beliefs……………..should be burned alive

  7. solomon Says:

    Cite one case of a seriously butchered muslim wife. There is none. This is a very blantant lie blown into massive proportion by the condemned Atheists. The beating is only a gesture & did’nt hurt the women at all. In fact studies shows that blue black eyed wifes are usually found in Atheists homes.
    All you condemn Atheists, look at the plate where you eat. Can your lousy ‘nature’ god produces such delicious meals?
    Now look at the fire. The fire exists.
    Hell = Fire
    Therefore Hell exists.
    Basic mathemathics.

  8. holysmokes Says:

    Your level of stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

  9. holysmokes Says:

    Not to mention the blatant lies Solomon. How many women have been stoned to death in thast 20 years in dirt bag Muslim countries?

  10. John Says:

    The muslim proclamations of how great and excellent their cult is, at least in their minds is starting to be exposed for what it is. Thank you Internet!! Dark Age thought suppression and fear spreading is the face it is showing. When out of arguments or found out; they always spout how the Atheist are the real criminals. Instead of attempting to correct their crimes; the muslim preachers always resort to telling us how we’ll all burn in hell. When I hear any religious fool spout that, I know they lost the argument because they are never allowed out of the box that thinking creates. Must be a miserable life and lot. I would rather burn in hell after I’m dead than live in hell while alive.

  11. Atheist MC Says:

    How many women have been stoned to death in thast 20 years Obviously more heathen lies. Those stoned women weren’t really hurt and were only pretending to be dead. It was those atheists that dropped really big rocks on womens heads.

  12. holysmokes Says:

    The primary reasons that women are subjected to such BS within religions is because they are, (on average) weaker physically then men and are less violent. One can always argue the validity of the reasons, however I think they are accurate. Most religions, especially Islam, exploit such facts, thereby creating a justification to treat them as far less then men in stature, law and reality. Example; it is the woman’s fault, even if raped. These idiotic notions alone should make us band together and literally OUTLAW such foolish religions. Whadayahsay we stone anyone who follows Islam? We can justify it by putting a few reasons in our bylaws.

    Bylaw #1. “Anyone found guilty of practicing Islam must be stoned to death in order to keep the gene pool free of stupidity.”

    Bylaw #2. “Anyone found guilty of ignoring these bylaws shall be stoned to death for blasphemy.

    P.S. Seems like a good start. however this movement is now accepting bylaw suggestions. Please insert your idea below.

  13. Braathwaat Says:

    Only from Islam do we hear of “honor killing” where a family member (son or husband typically) kill their mother/wife/sister for such perceived haynes crimes as speaking with another man, being raped, rumored of having pre-marital sex, loss of virginity, showing their ankles in public, etc, etc, etc.

  14. GodKilla Says:

    Bylaw #3 anyone found to be practicing islam will be forced to draw harmless cartoons of the ‘prophet’ mohammed until they are dead. by their own hand.

  15. GodKilla Says:

    Bylaw #4 anyone found to be practicing islam will be required to set up a video camera and saw off his own head whilst chanting gibberish.

  16. John Says:

    Bylaw #5 any male muslin must wear a burka while practicing islam, having gay sex or sex with their goats and must chant gibberish while mounted.

  17. solomon Says:

    The Atheists are liars, big time liars. Their only agenda is to destroy religion by tarnishing it & campaigning to follow their unlimited lusts.The stoning punisment is not carried out simply without fair trial & clear proofs & not without grave cause. These adulterers are criminals who will do a lot of damage to society. Fatherless babies are abandoned,murdered,dumped in dustbins,pumped into waste compartments & etc. To avoid shame.
    These kind of acts have to be cotrolled & who knows a better means of control rather than the creator of a creation himself.You Atheists just shutup & follow.
    I would like to depict the lyrics of a song by Eric Clapton’s ‘I shot the sheriff’. It goes like this ‘Kill it before it grows’ which is self explainatory. The Atheist are the condemned,swayed,losts lots who will be chased to Hell!

  18. John Says:

    I default to my above statements and posts!

  19. GodKilla Says:

    Bylaw #6 anyone found guilty of practicing islam (judged not by his peers but by a leader of a foreign nation) will be forced to endure violent rape and then be required to kill himself for bringing dishonor upon his family.

    This is fun!

  20. John Says:

    Sorry folks… I can’t let this one go… “The Atheists are liars, big time liars. Their only agenda is to destroy religion by tarnishing it & campaigning to follow their unlimited lusts.” Sorry sollie old buddy however, I really don’t think that Atheists give much credence to islam or any religion. Also, I believe that religions may be do’n a bloody brilliant job of destroying themselves!

  21. Braathwaat Says:

    Solomon, to suggest Islamic trials are fair is any sense of the word is insulting. It’s only woman that suffer “honor killing” & for perceived crimes much less haynas than adultery. Why are men never killed for adultery? It must be difficult for you to defend the indefensible & if you remain on this list at some point a light will go off in your head & you will renounce allah.

  22. solomon Says:

    Speaking to Atheists is like speaking to a wall. They’re much dumber than the dumbest dumpbells. They keep on lie & lie until they see hell!

  23. Braathwaat Says:

    Solomon, I assume that you consider yourself a “moderate” muslim & because you constantly claim that atheists lie I am curious if do you not believe all the hideous acts Muslims commit under sharia law such as burning girls school, cutting of a woman’s thumb for wearing nail polish, honor killing, etc. are true or that these acts are somehow justified under islamic law? I have not heard anyone deny these barbaric acts to be true so I can only conclude that you must feel that they are justified. That being the case you should be able to understand why many (myself included) feel that a “moderate” Muslim is an oxymoron

  24. Braathwaat Says:

    Bylaw #7: Anyone found guilty of practicing islam shall be imprisoned & forced to eat nothing but pork before before being decapitated, wrapped in pig skin & sent to the ever after!

  25. GodKilla Says:

    Braathwaat gets the prize for the funniest bylaw! 🙂

  26. solomon Says:

    Rants coming from an intoxicated dude. Nothing of it is true.

  27. Braathwaat Says:

    Solomon, why no answer to my question?

  28. solomon Says:

    Braathwaat,
    I’am a true devout muslim who abide by Gods rules. Theres no such thing as moderate. What God say is right, is right, and what is wrong, is wrong. If one commits something that is out of Gods rules, then he is wrong. Thers no need for justification. The justification is allways there, automatically.

  29. Braathwaat Says:

    You are correct when you say their is no such thing as a moderate Muslim which is why there is no place on the planet where Muslims reside that is in peace. America, Spain, France, Netherlands, England, Thailand, India and Indonesia have already been attacked, Denmark has been threatened, Shiite-Sunni bloodletting in Iraq; the barbarism of the Taliban in Afghanistan; the genocide in Darfur; the Somali killings; the Iranian mullahs’ murder of their own people and support of terror abroad; the ant terrorist acts of Hamas, Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad, & numerous fatwas on infidels and apostates; the bombing of Shiite mosques in Pakistan and Iraq and the Shiite retaliation against soft, innocent and civilian targets, the list is endless.

    Still, if you’re a devout Muslim shouldn’t (according to verse 2:191) be slaying all non-believers wherever you find them?