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		<title>By: holysmokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>holysmokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YSG,

I&#039;ll take your word regarding your thoughts on &quot;truth.&quot; I&#039;m afraid that I&#039;m not that complicated, consequently I find the truth to be more black and white. It&#039;s painfully obvious that religions lack &quot;truth&quot; because they lack the data to validate any part of it. I see no gray area there.

Regarding &quot;faith&quot; and my desire to see it made illegal: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was of course referring to religious faith. It seems that our resident troll thinks our comments are too complicated. I would argue that my comments are extremely basic on the topic so as usual, he has no valid response other than to, &quot;vomit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YSG,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take your word regarding your thoughts on &#8220;truth.&#8221; I&#8217;m afraid that I&#8217;m not that complicated, consequently I find the truth to be more black and white. It&#8217;s painfully obvious that religions lack &#8220;truth&#8221; because they lack the data to validate any part of it. I see no gray area there.</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;faith&#8221; and my desire to see it made illegal: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was of course referring to religious faith. It seems that our resident troll thinks our comments are too complicated. I would argue that my comments are extremely basic on the topic so as usual, he has no valid response other than to, &#8220;vomit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17850</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry...&#039;on sided affair&#039;....should be &#039;one sided affair&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;&#8217;on sided affair&#8217;&#8230;.should be &#8216;one sided affair&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17849</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;am vomiting hearing the Atheists ranting pointlessly about faith or truth. They&#039;re just ranting words...just words....nothing...have no impact at all on faith or truth. They&#039;re bullshitting something that they themself don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;am vomiting hearing the Atheists ranting pointlessly about faith or truth. They&#8217;re just ranting words&#8230;just words&#8230;.nothing&#8230;have no impact at all on faith or truth. They&#8217;re bullshitting something that they themself don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17848</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tech,
Jesus is Human, not God. You&#039;ve been tricked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tech,<br />
Jesus is Human, not God. You&#8217;ve been tricked.</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17847</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret,

The site you posted is a on sided affair. It could be questioned, probed and challenged. Just another cheap stuffs propagated by condemn individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret,</p>
<p>The site you posted is a on sided affair. It could be questioned, probed and challenged. Just another cheap stuffs propagated by condemn individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Admin, the link went live when I posted it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Admin, the link went live when I posted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17845</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0165178101003109

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/412807_2

http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&amp;_&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ564932&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&amp;accno=EJ564932

Here are 3 links to clinical research that proves the connection to mental illness and hyper-religiosity. The 3rd one, the longest one, makes the connection to child sexual abuse and subsequent mental illness /religious fanaticism.  Clergy will say they help soothe and calm the flock with their stories, but hundreds of peer-reviewed studies are readily available to prove religion = pathology.  This has been known for some time, even Freud knew approximately 100 years ago that religion is sick.  And I kid you not, in the mental institutions, religious visions (hallucinations) and prophecy are spouted in almost every room.  Perhaps  unfortunate people such as these are the &quot;divine messengers&quot; of the gods in times past? 

If Jesus came back today, he would probably be committed. 

I wish I knew how to make a &quot;live link&quot; into the comment box, but copy and paste into the browser bar will work.</description>
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<p>Here are 3 links to clinical research that proves the connection to mental illness and hyper-religiosity. The 3rd one, the longest one, makes the connection to child sexual abuse and subsequent mental illness /religious fanaticism.  Clergy will say they help soothe and calm the flock with their stories, but hundreds of peer-reviewed studies are readily available to prove religion = pathology.  This has been known for some time, even Freud knew approximately 100 years ago that religion is sick.  And I kid you not, in the mental institutions, religious visions (hallucinations) and prophecy are spouted in almost every room.  Perhaps  unfortunate people such as these are the &#8220;divine messengers&#8221; of the gods in times past? </p>
<p>If Jesus came back today, he would probably be committed. </p>
<p>I wish I knew how to make a &#8220;live link&#8221; into the comment box, but copy and paste into the browser bar will work.</p>
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		<title>By: YourSkepticalGuy</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17844</link>
		<dc:creator>YourSkepticalGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holysmokes - I am in agreement with the sentiment of your discussion re: faith vs. truth when viewed in the classic sense. Sorry to quibble but I do embrace the nonclassical quantum view of the world that provides for probability distributions - and some uncertainity in &quot;truth&quot; as you used the term. Truth and certainty are less true and certain in this sense.

When considering possibility versus probability - strictly speaking I do not believe that it is a valid logical conclusion that a multitude of inconsistent claims regarding truth means that none of them are, objectively, true. Given the premise that something could be true unbeknownst to an observer suggests that one or more of those 2,000,000 deities could be true, we just don&#039;t have the evidence to support believing it to be true.

This is the my understanding for a reason that Richard Dawkins claims to be a 99.99% atheist - as a scientist and rationalist and skeptic, it appears highly unlikely that a god as described by the religions of the world actually exists, but it may be possible (in a literal, theoretical way).

Thank you *all* for a nice ranging conversation today, 

YSG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holysmokes &#8211; I am in agreement with the sentiment of your discussion re: faith vs. truth when viewed in the classic sense. Sorry to quibble but I do embrace the nonclassical quantum view of the world that provides for probability distributions &#8211; and some uncertainity in &#8220;truth&#8221; as you used the term. Truth and certainty are less true and certain in this sense.</p>
<p>When considering possibility versus probability &#8211; strictly speaking I do not believe that it is a valid logical conclusion that a multitude of inconsistent claims regarding truth means that none of them are, objectively, true. Given the premise that something could be true unbeknownst to an observer suggests that one or more of those 2,000,000 deities could be true, we just don&#8217;t have the evidence to support believing it to be true.</p>
<p>This is the my understanding for a reason that Richard Dawkins claims to be a 99.99% atheist &#8211; as a scientist and rationalist and skeptic, it appears highly unlikely that a god as described by the religions of the world actually exists, but it may be possible (in a literal, theoretical way).</p>
<p>Thank you *all* for a nice ranging conversation today, </p>
<p>YSG</p>
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		<title>By: Edmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy smoke, holysmokes!  That was well, well, well said.  Faith is about the most abused and misused word there is.  There ARE good ways to have faith, like having faith that your brakes are going to work.  You have EVIDENCE to justify this faith; your brakes have worked every time BEFORE, so you have good reason to believe they&#039;re going to continue to do so.  Further, they were ENGINEERED to work successfully.  A lot of planning, measuring &amp; testing went into their construction, and it is all documented.  BUT, having faith that a man can walk on water or tear the moon in half without EVER having SEEN ANYONE do it, that&#039;s bad faith.  That just makes you gullible, and prone to accept even MORE nonsense without a shred of evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy smoke, holysmokes!  That was well, well, well said.  Faith is about the most abused and misused word there is.  There ARE good ways to have faith, like having faith that your brakes are going to work.  You have EVIDENCE to justify this faith; your brakes have worked every time BEFORE, so you have good reason to believe they&#8217;re going to continue to do so.  Further, they were ENGINEERED to work successfully.  A lot of planning, measuring &amp; testing went into their construction, and it is all documented.  BUT, having faith that a man can walk on water or tear the moon in half without EVER having SEEN ANYONE do it, that&#8217;s bad faith.  That just makes you gullible, and prone to accept even MORE nonsense without a shred of evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: holysmokes</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1104/comment-page-1#comment-17839</link>
		<dc:creator>holysmokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes &quot;faith&quot; vs. &quot;truth&quot; To me, the truth is non varying. Either something is or is not. If a beach ball hits me in the head, then it is true. If someone standing a significant distance away is unsure, then he/she does not yet know the truth. Why? A lack of accurate information, however it does not change the event, or the &quot;truth.&quot;

Truth regarding a god will never be known so long as ALL two million or so of them continue to hide in the shadows. Yup, I said two million. There are those who would argue that 2 million gods have been created by the human race over the past 200,000 years. They all share a common trait, no evidence. So logically there is no truth to any of them. The &quot;truth&quot; will likely be answered by science because it uses the tools and tactics required to get to the bottom things.

Faith? As always, it&#039;s the dirtiest 5-letter word in the English language. Solely responsible for immeasurable pain, suffering and death. &quot;Faith,&quot; should be against the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes &#8220;faith&#8221; vs. &#8220;truth&#8221; To me, the truth is non varying. Either something is or is not. If a beach ball hits me in the head, then it is true. If someone standing a significant distance away is unsure, then he/she does not yet know the truth. Why? A lack of accurate information, however it does not change the event, or the &#8220;truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Truth regarding a god will never be known so long as ALL two million or so of them continue to hide in the shadows. Yup, I said two million. There are those who would argue that 2 million gods have been created by the human race over the past 200,000 years. They all share a common trait, no evidence. So logically there is no truth to any of them. The &#8220;truth&#8221; will likely be answered by science because it uses the tools and tactics required to get to the bottom things.</p>
<p>Faith? As always, it&#8217;s the dirtiest 5-letter word in the English language. Solely responsible for immeasurable pain, suffering and death. &#8220;Faith,&#8221; should be against the law.</p>
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