22nd December 2007

“The clever church couldn't abide the pagans having a big jolly mid-winter party keeping them in touch with nasty nature so they decided to steal it; hence Christmas. Just as they stole the spring rite of Easter; incidentally named after a Norse goddess. The bottom line is that organised religion is about power. Cultural theft is totally legitimate to those who worship power.”

Keith Bentham

5 Responses to “22nd December 2007”

  1. Thunder Says:

    That is not true. At the time there was no such thing as a central christian polity. It was constantine who nationalized two religious movements and encouraged a cohesion of the two. At that time the roman empire was split into four regions each with a capital. Constantine had control of two of the regions and intended to reform the roman empire. I THINK, he could give a crap about either religion his moves were socio-political. This frankenstein would later be known as catholicism. Four centuries later and inspired by constantine muhammed would take the same actions and create islam from elements of at least three separate religions.

  2. Hypatia Says:

    Thunder – what you say about Constantine and Catholicism may be true – but what has it got to do with the quote?

  3. Thunder Says:

    * Thunder – what you say about Constantine and Catholicism may be true – but what has it got to do with the quote? *

    The quote is prejudicial. It incorrectly identifies this event as origionated from a religious movement and it was not religious but political in origin. Every caeser from nero onward waged war against christianity many such as dioclecian vowing to stamp it from the face of the earth. It took constantine actually taking a 180 from his obstruction of it to embracing it for surrepticious reasons to come closest to destroying it. The inquisitions that you guys are told is a religious response to scientific reform killed more christian reformers than it ever killed scientific thinkers. That was a catholic response to any threat against their power.

  4. Hypatia Says:

    If you take the reference to “The clever church” to mean the early Catholic Church the quote is largely correct – and both Christmas and Easter were originally pagan festivals of long-standing.

  5. Thunder Says:

    * Christmas and Easter were originally pagan festivals of long-standing. *

    Christmas is the result of a construct inclusive of elements intended to lend a christian tone and elements of a lot of regional pagan festivals (saturnalia being the primary). The pagan mythology was always similar between these festivals but the name of the god was different depending on the region (hercules, marduk, mithra etc…..). Easter is a grecianized (romanized) render of the name ishtar; the name of the pagan god for which the festival was held.

    * If you take the reference to “The clever church” to mean the early Catholic Church *

    Catholicism didn`t exist til constantine layed the foundation for it during the nicean councel.

    There is a lot more information about this. Gobs of it.