16th September 2010

“If you call someone a man of faith it seems, for the moment, like a compliment. I'd like that to change.”

Christopher Hitchens

19 Responses to “16th September 2010”

  1. GreatEighthSin Says:

    So would I… So would I…

    Reason: Tired of seeing people getting all high and proud of themselves just because they go to church. It seems like many feel that just because they believe, they can swing their nose up into the air at any one person that believes differently than they. Granted, whenever they do shove their nose to the sky, we all know who’s derrier they’re hitting.

  2. Godkilla Says:

    LOL, nicely put GES, head up their own arses.

    I love the way Hitch puts things. I agree with this, why should it ever be a compliment to say tht someone believes in fairies or the supernatural? It’s like wandering around the lunatic asylum and complimenting all the inmates that suffer hallucinations and delusions and giving them special respect for it.

    Crazy, just crazy.

    It’s the people of faith that should be in the asylum.

    Get well soon Hitch.

  3. tech Says:

    If I didn’t know any better I would say this site is run from an asylum.Grade eight ,Tired? Take a rest. As for me it wouldn’t matter where I was I would still follow My LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.Its the very least I could do, after all he has done for me. As for the quote, I’d be curious as to know why he would like that to change.We all have faith.

  4. GreatEighthSin Says:

    No, I refuse to rest, Tech. I will push myself beyond physical exhaustion just to better the lives of humanity. One of the biggest hurdles that is facing man, is the idea that having faith in a deity somehow magically entitles one human, or even a whole group, to respect, tolerance, and undying allegiance. Entitlement is an aggressive disease in this world. It’s ran it’s course through the three governing factors of humanity; religion, government, and money. Each one playing a beautiful and intricate ballet with one another, all while mashing the hard work of humanity into a bloodied, flesh reamed mess.

    In a humorous twist, I’ll point something funny out. On the American currency, it states “in God we trust”. The funny thing, who is this “we”? Everyone implies that it’s “we the people”, but that is only implied. It could easily be “we” the government, or “we” the religious, or how about even “we” the dollar bills. That does have a nice ring to it, doesn’t it? “In God we, the American currency, trust”.

  5. Dan Says:

    Great quote by Hitchens.

    Faith, and particularly religious faith, is the antithesis to inquiry and earnest study. How can we build a better world when we insist that goatherders from millenia past represent the apex of knowledge?

  6. Dan Says:

    Oh, and Tech, this one is for you and your wonderful Jesus: Look around you.

  7. GreatEighthSin Says:

    Blah, blah, blah, rot in hell yadda, yadda, yadda. Been there, heard that millions of times. Even walked in the fearful path of it myself, too. Too bad I found the strength to overcome that fear and learn what really encompasses reality (and “love” for that matter).

    Trust me, I stopped believing in Hell YEARS before I stopped believing in any God. Why? Go back to this page http://atheistweb.org/qotd/1150#comments and read my response to you, Crocco.

    Once you’re finished with that, think of how childish an idea of Hell truly is, and how the concept of Hell only makes God a devil, and not any form of a saint that religions make Him out to be. You especially figure that one out when you realize that not only did God essentially create Satan, but that Satan is only around on God’s will. So, this would make God a greater evil, and more of a greater threat, than Satan.

    Oh, and if anyone wants to know what true Hell is, come live my childhood. Constant physical pain at the hands of your master is only a quarter of it.

  8. PEB Says:

    Indeed Cherie Blair thinks people who have faith deserve special treatment. When sentencing a Muslim man for breaking someone’s jaw she said ““I am going to suspend this sentence for the period of two years based on the fact you are a religious person and have not been in trouble before,”
    eh? So this guy is crazy enough to:

    1) Believe in a sky god
    2) Attack someone in a queue and break their jaw

    ….but Cherie (of the Roman Catholic franchise) thinks he deserves a reduced sentence. By this logic an atheist would have gone to prison? Bonkers.

  9. tech Says:

    Dan the almighty one , what will you do to stop all the bad things happening in our world today?

  10. Atheros Says:

    Mr. Hitchens.. I agree, so would I!!

  11. Dan Says:

    I work in biotech, as a laboratory consultant to the Ministry of Health in the country in which I live. Basically, I help update medical care here with the latest science and technology. Why, what do you do?

  12. Doubting Thomas Says:

    Today a” Man of Faith”Arrived in the UK without one of his acolytes who has described Britain as a 3rd World Country – It may be correct that the country has some of the problems shared with the 3rd world – these mostly have been imported by men of various religious “Faiths”

  13. margaret Says:

    Mr. Hitchens is so right today. Religious people, like tech, like to say Jesus Christ my savior did so very very very much for me ad nauseum. If tech’s claims were evaluated, one would find the benefits are all in his head. His good fortune would fall right in line with statistics. He gives JC and his imaginary god credit for anything that goes right, and anything that goes bad, well, life is just a trial to endure until death, not anything to appreciate and enjoy. There is no motivation to make anything better, because that would be going against the inaction of the deaf, blind, paralyzed, impotent imaginary invisible sugar-daddy in the sky.
    Go ahead, tech, give your god credit when you get a good parking space. Live in your fantasty world. Leave the actual work of improving this world to those who recognize reality when they see it.

    I am so looking forward to the time when the observation, “he or she is a person of faith” will be considered an insult.

  14. YourSkepticalGuy Says:

    Agree with the quote. I would also like to see references to a person’s reproductive excessive success suggest that there are better ways to live a life. That faith and over-procreation often go together is one of the many reasons that Mr. Hitchens is correct.

    Too funny tech – what will you do to stop all the bad things happening in our world today? – /sarcasm indeed – why forswear prayer and faith from stopping all the bad things happening in our world today – prayer and faith have be OH so VERY effective./sarcasm silliness knows no bounds.

    Thank you baby jesus…


  15. CaptainZero Says:

    Tech – you give yourself both too much credit and not enough blame. If you’re life is good now it’s because you are making better choices. If it was bad before, you were making poor ones. Nothing mystical about that. Just maturity and motivated self-interest.

    Get well Hitch. Well put as always.

  16. CaptainZero Says:

    P.S. – your statement that “we all have faith” is correct but there is a qualitative difference between yours and ours. It’s rational for me to assume that is, to have faith, that my 12 year old car will start in the morning. I have the evidence that it has started without a hitch for many years. I have reinforcing experience to rely on.

    It is not rational, however, for you to have faith that you will gain an infinite heavenly existence merely because you stopped kicking the dog and doing crack and proclaim “Jesus is my saviour” at every full stop. Neither you nor anyone that has ever lived has offered any intellectually satisfying proof that this proposition is true.

    These are not equivalent uses of the word “faith”.

  17. Wat Duino Says:

    Faith: “A strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof”.

    Superstition:”… belief in and reverence for supernatural beings, or a practice based on such a belief”.

    Why not call someone “a man of superstition” ? Just as accurate and probably more to the point.

  18. teddy Says:

    Wat D. ………………..not bad…not bad

  19. sjburnt Says:

    WatD. A nice comparison. I happen to agree.

    However, you have to admit that even though the definitions for faith and superstition are very close, in common society there is a positive connotation for ‘faith’ and a negative connotation for ‘superstition’.

    Which, I think, is Hitch’s point. It really should not be that way.

    I know that if I want to goad someone, I can refer to faith as superstition. It seldom fails to get a rise, even though quite literally true.

    But I think there are more people all the time that hear ‘faith’ and think ‘superstition’, whether they verbalize it or not. It cuts through a lot of crap.

    Ya gotta love Hitchens.

    I like the new nearly troll free site a lot; I am reading more often.

    Thanks Admin!