29th September 2010

“Atheists in America are in a tough spot. We are a small minority of non-believers within a country that is positively rippling with religious fervour. We value reason, science, and facts, but we often struggle to find leaders and representatives who weigh those values over those of faith and irrationality. We tend to be humanistic and tolerant, open to debate and questioning, while we are among the least liked, least trusted, and least tolerated by our neighbors. In such an environment it is extremely difficult to find a seat at the political table, let alone advance an agenda or put forward a candidate for office.”

Paul Fidalgo

22 Responses to “29th September 2010”

  1. opleaze....... Says:

    oh, BIG DEAL .

    the qotd is generally true……..but it sounds like WHINING….and whining
    goes nowhere.

    if we’re solid in our beliefs, communicate with each other, and freely
    offer to share / debate ideas, then we are moving in a worthwhile
    direction.

    whining , no matter how eloquently put, is still whining….and it’s
    useless.

    also, i have to disagree with the idea that america is ” positively
    rippling with religious fervour ” ………….it might be slightly more
    accurate to say ,” america THINKS that it’s positively rippling with
    religious fervor” but evidence of fervent applications of faith-based
    actions, is, at best, sporadic.

  2. Ernie Says:

    Sure the statements about values and such are true but I think atheism is doing very well considering. Certainly the spot was tougher pre-20th century.

  3. try..... Says:

    for more on this topic………

    go to “ATHEIST REVOLUTION ” website………first atricle

  4. tech Says:

    Oh please,?

  5. tech Says:

    Dan , If you here today? The true Christian reads his bible and tries his best to live by it. It doesn,t mean he’s perfect, but he trying.When I say Christain I mean A follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings.

  6. Ernie Says:

    If I may comment on your post to Dan tech what exactly is a true Christian? Surely every Christian thinks he is one. How do you know you are one? With thousands of Christian sects can they all be true? In fact the idea of True Christian (TM) implies perfection and we all know no one is perfect.

    My own brother calls himself a true Christian and yet he can be exceedingly cruel and ruthless when the subject of my atheism comes up. Who is to say he is not a true Christian.

    There is simply no such thing.

  7. tech Says:

    Well Ernie,To be a Christian is to be Christ like to try and follow him as said earlier, to apply his teachings to our lives. No it doesn’t make us perfect. There was only one perfect One The Son of God.If your looking for a perfect Christian .You won’t find one. But there is a lot of difference in the person who is trying and the one thats not. Its something you have to work hard at. Oh I would never say I’m perfect, I know I’m not.

  8. Atheist MC Says:

    Ah! Christ like.
    tech, if you want to model yourself on a sunday school Jesus I applaud you, But that, unfortunately does not make you a “True Christian” by the lights of many as Biblical teaching is interpreted way more judgmentally by many U.S churches, prejudiced and “otherist” than that. As a suggestion, why not ignore religion altogether and construct a morality based on evidence and reason, Personally I would be surprised if you had to make too many adjustments.

  9. Atheist MC Says:

    Bleh!! Ignore the grammar dragged and dropped with too much abandon 🙂

  10. tech Says:

    Atheist with all due respect,I don’t need anyone to tell me the meaning of a True Christian, I am well aware.How ever a lesson for you, I’m not a Religious person I’m a Christian. There is a big difference.Jesus himself made it very clear that merely using his name does not make one a Christian.” Not everyone who says ‘ Lord,Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,but he,who does the will of my father in heaven.”Matthew 7:21.Christ warned of those who would institute their own practices and doctrines and wrongly expect God to honor such worship.” These people draw near to me with their mouth,and honor me with their lips,but their heart is far from me.And in vain they worship me,teaching as doctrines the commandments of men”Mathew 15:7-9.

  11. holysmokes Says:

    Well then, you better start killing your kids when they get mouthy. The “good book” says to.

  12. Atheist MC Says:

    This is interesting. If to define yourself as Christian is to be “Christ like” we have to know what Christ was like. Biblically this is not clear cut as all references to Jesus are post hoc and interpretative. None of the four canonical gospels were contemporary, and Paul who actually was contemporary never met Jesus, and it is unclear whether he actually believed him to be an earthly mortal person or a more typically Romano-Greek godman existing in a supernatural realm.
    The idealised “gentle Jesus meek and mild” we are all exposed to as children could well be a role model for moral behavior, but what pollutes this is the adherence of many of the faithful to the archaic faux morality that underpins Christian dogma.
    So tech I repeat, if you are not “religious” but seek to be “Christ like” why not ditch the religious baggage and be a fine upstanding, compassionate and ethical atheist like the rest of us?

  13. GrumpyOldGit Says:

    Getting back to the qotd guys, I quite understand where Paul Fidalgo is coming from. If you think you got problems in America, try being an atheist in Ireland.

  14. Ernie Says:

    Right, sorry to derail.

    GOG, can you expand a little on what it is like to be an atheist in Ireland?

  15. Long Time Lurker Says:

    Cecil Bothwell……

  16. Long Time Lurker Says:

    Tech:

    I’m not a capitalist, I just believe in the free market.

    I’m not a communist, I just believe goods are should be owned in common and available to all that need them.

    I’m not a Doors fan, I just REALLY like their music.

    I’m not a Bhuddist, I just follow all of his teachings.

    I’m don’t believe in evolution, I just believe the theory is most likely true.

    I don’t believe in abortion, I just think women should have the right to choose.

    I’m not a Christian, I just follow all of Christs teachings.

    Make sense?

  17. teddy Says:

    geez……….the DOORS????????????????

    EEEYOOO !!!

  18. GreatEighthSin Says:

    Long is %100 correct, tech. The minute you fuse your hands together in prayer, or sit cross legged to find enlightenment or nirvana, you are then practicing religion, and therefor makes you religious.

    BTW, reread your quotes from Mathew, and tell me that it’s not a form of [social] control. Go ahead, just try.

  19. Dan Says:

    tech,
    If you like Ghandi, he described modern xtians better than anyone:

    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

    Christians aren’t trying to be Christ-like at all. Take a look and pay attention.

  20. tech Says:

    Dan, That what I’ve been trying to tell you.

  21. Ernie Says:

    They are still Christians. They represent the religion.

  22. Dan Says:

    Tech,
    Really? You agree that Christians are hypocrites?