2nd October 2010

“Coming out as an atheist can have serious real-world consequences. Parents get denied custody of their children for being atheists. People get harassed and vandalized by their neighbors for being atheists. Teachers get suspended for being atheists. Teenagers get harassed and suspended from school for being atheists. Politicians whip up anti-atheist fear to try to get elected. (And that’s just in the US. I’m not even talking about parts of the world where atheism is a crime, punishable by imprisonment or death.)”

Greta Christina

24 Responses to “2nd October 2010”

  1. john sutton Says:

    Its “neighbours” and your lucky. Atheists over hear have to get up before they go to bed and lick the road clean.

  2. tech Says:

    If doctors could find a cure for “Cabin Fever”.It would take care of a lot of the Atheists ills.

  3. Dan Says:

    To be fair, this quote only applies to the majority of areas in the US. For instance I was lucky enough to grow up in a fairly open-minded Christian community. Few of my friends are atheists, but also few are Evangelical nut cases and few are bothered when I say “No thank you” to superstition.

  4. Ernie Says:

    Interesting tech, religious bigotry as a mass epidemic of cabin fever.

  5. konzo the dog man... Says:

    to john sutton………..

    i’m always interedted in the first response to the QOTD…..and Your response interests me greatly !!!

    the implied threat is SOOOOOOOOOO scary….but i’m pretty sure people like you are always looking for targets…and atheists are always handy.

    you can take your dumb-assed threat and stick it in your ear.

    the spelling of ” NEIGHBORS ” in the quote is the American spelling, and is
    correct ( in CONTEXT ).

    proper use in your first sentence should have been ” YOU’RE ” .

    proper use in your second sentence should have been ” HERE ” .

    so, john, have a stupid day………….which for you should’nt be a strain.

  6. Dan Says:

    John Sutton,
    (1) Konzo is right, it’s “neighbors” if you’re from the Western side of the Atlantic, which Greta is. (2) Would you try to learn to spell correctly? And (3) Your second sentence doesn’t make ANY sense whatsoever.

    tech,
    And as is usual for you, you’re not making any sense either…

  7. Rotten Says:

    It looks like Sutton is making a Monty Python reference (4 Yorkshiremen sketch, I think it’s called) although it seems rather inappropriate in the context. (“You think you’ve got it bad…”)

  8. holysmokes Says:

    I’ve never seen most of what Greta is throwing out there, although I understand her quote. I live in the USA, way up in the Northeast corner. That’s NEW England …for you friends across the pond. Anyhow, I’m the only “known” atheist that I know of in my town. I don’t appear to get treated differently, but then again, “religion” isn’t nearly as embedded in this area compared with the “bible belt” down South. For the most part, people seem to ignore religion, still however, an atheist is a bit of a novelty around here. When I ask people what an atheist is, the most common answer I get is, “Someone who says there is no god.” I typically correct them by saying, “Actually it’s someone who sees no reason to believe in a god. Big difference.” That’s usually when the questions start.

  9. The Heretic Says:

    I don’t usually bring up my atheism; it’s no one else’s business but my own. I don’t like hearing about other people’s superstitions either – although they usually feel much freer to discuss them. People who discuss (unencouraged) their religious/atheistic thoughts with others, probably have other nasty habits as well.

    That said – I don’t live in an area (Left Coast – US) where there is a strong Bible Belt ferver. But, I have seen many a youtube video on the things described in the quote. My thoughts are: if you live amongst intolerable people – MOVE. You are free to do this in the US. In the rest of the world, I am at a loss if moving isn’t an option.

  10. Long Time Lurker Says:

    From what I’ve always heard, it’s been the poor, poor majority Christians that are being persecuted in the US? Always cracks me up when I hear that.

  11. Mike G. Says:

    Not to mention the loss of friends which, sadly, does happen. My best friend of 8 years stopped talking to me, coincidentally around the same time I outed myself.

  12. Asmodeus Says:

    Outside of Muslim countries, my guess is the USA is the most difficult country to be an atheist

  13. Atheist MC Says:

    For info John is parodying Monty Python, and I think was being quite witty 🙂
    However I won’t hear a word against Greta, she is probably, along with Adam Lee my favorite atheist blogger. As an atheist in the UK I am aware that I have it easy. Parts of the US can be scary as I have found to my cost when I’ve casually mentioned atheism when out there on business. It’s not like I’ve ever felt threatened or anything, but when you mention atheism the atmosphere definitely drops a couple of degrees.

  14. tech Says:

    Yea Ernie , how about that religious bigotry. Its just that this site has so many ills its not funny. Atheists are bodered by everything.Get grip guys.You say what you please about religion and other people beliefs and you wonder why your not accepted by the majority.And the minute someone says something about an atheist you get all bend out of joint.Pooooooor babies, grow up you sometimes ask for it and you get it.

  15. Long Time Lurker Says:

    @tech… the religious bigots are the religious people. Get over the inconvenient truth. I know it sucks for you but…

    And with that I’ll stop feeding the trolls.

  16. Long Time Lurker Says:

    @tech:

    If you REALLY want to see religious bigotry, here it is. This guy is from my town:

    http://bothwellsblog.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/unintentional-courage/

  17. Ernie Says:

    Tech we know why we are not accepted. It’s because we don’t buy the religion simple as that and you know it. There is no wondering. You could not comprehend the level of freedom and happiness that I felt when I realized that religion is not true. I gave up a bunch of addictive behaviors and grew up quite a bit as far as relationships go. When I was religious I was an angry and confused man. Nothing takes of the blinders like realizing that this is it, I have to do everything myself, and sometimes bad things just happen. The flip side is that amazing and wonderful things can happen too and one can truly appreciate them without the dark lens of religion..

    I do not talk about being an atheist unless I am asked about my beliefs but I have no problem talking about it. My biggest challenge has been with my own fundamentalist brother who actually tried to coerce me into falling in line. The lies and assumptions got so bad I threatened to cut ties and he mellowed out almost immediately. He still makes comments occasionally but I ignore them. Sad that the only thing we can talk about is the weather. Fundamentalism stole my brothers brain. That ordeal resulted in a nice thick skin for myself which i am actually grateful for. I live in the US Bible belt and it is everywhere. I have not had much trouble at work in my community but I am not running for office or putting up free thought billboards. Most people that know me know and there have been a few that have pulled away because of it. My good friends don’t care.

  18. Ernie Says:

    Tech I took your comment about cabin fever and atheist ills to mean that religionist would be cured of their bigotry thereby removing religious bigotry against atheists.

  19. Ernie Says:

    LTL thanks forthe link to Cecil Bothwell. I casually followed his election to city council and was pleased that he was able to overcome the religious bigotry and get elected.

  20. john sutton Says:

    Konzo and Dan are right to splat me when I am so wrong and when I am being such a pedant. I cannot spell and so usually check everything carefully – but not this time.

    The reference is from Python. Luxury.

  21. GreatEighthSin Says:

    I live in Washtington state, so religious bigotry is hard to come by until you hop over the mountains. Granted, the bigotry was terrible in my town for some time. There was a Christian non-denom cult that was literally stealing the minds of it’s “people” and turning them against everyone that didn’t go to that church. Thankfully, just about everyone has wised up to where all of their tithes and offerings have gone to and left that church.

    I feel that most of this religious bigotry is fueled by the pastors. Many of them are afraid that their churches will crumble to nothing once everyone wises up to the fairy tales they spill, so they then enforce their “flock” soldiers to fear and demean anyone who thinks differently. It’s rather disgusting to see men use a book that’s supposed to be “good” as some form of tool for greed, pride, and their own personal wrath.

  22. Dan Says:

    John,
    Sorry for misconstruing your Monty Python reference. I’m very familiar with the movies, but not so much with the Flying Circus sketch comedy. So perhaps the reference was from before my time.

  23. GreatEighthSin Says:

    That, or it could just possibly be the process of complete closed minded religious xenophobia. Rather than dealing with the real people who do damage to others, those who arrogantly put themselves before society and others, these suppliers of social control and religious xenophobia would rather wrap a veil around others’ eyes and point fingers at those that shake their world view all because they’re too scared to admit that their entire world revolves around their penny sucking, mind droning ideologies. All the while, they cower in fear at the thought that they can not sustain a real world ideology because their whole world revolves around something they deem as loving, but in all truth, is nothing more than irrational arguments from their ignorance.

    Life sucks, death sucks, and no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it all better, it won’t happen until you get off your knees, unclasp your hands, and pick up a tool or diploma, and swear to never follow another human who insists on harming or belittling others who do not harm society.

  24. Ernie Says:

    Well it is so easy to use the “good” book to place the veil over their eyes. It is the guilt that is built in to it. That is what got me. Make people feel bad enough and they are ready to blame someone else.