1st January 2011

“Men cannot live according to traditional morality, the acids of modernity have eaten away traditional belief and we need a new ethics to suit our lives.”

Walter Lippmann1889 – 1974

10 Responses to “1st January 2011”

  1. tech Says:

    The teachings of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior suits me just fine.He is all I need.

  2. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    tech, you’re a delusional, selfish, ignorant fool.

  3. Greateighthsin Says:

    @Tech Is this before or after you slaughter you child for cursing at you, and allowing your daughter to marry her rapist after he pays you his fine and serves no jail time? Hmm.. come to think of it, have you ever partook in fortune telling, horoscopes, tarot cards, or anything of the like? You will only have “only your self to blame for your death”.

    Morals and ethics do not even exist. They are a construct from the individual, the individual’s sub-community, the individual’s community, and then how the entire community then reflects onto society itself. In other words, we all believe stealing is wrong on a personal level, so we allow laws to forbid stealing. Now, if individuals were to rise up and believe that stealing is fine for someone who is homeless as long as they are stealing for their survival, then society can adopt that ideology and then incorporate that into law once the people have agreed.

    If morality came from God, then why is God not enforcing His laws that He passed down unto the prophets? Why aren’t “good” people killing each other because they broke God’s moral laws?

  4. Dan Says:

    Robert Ingersoll had a very nice related quote:

    “The Christians say, that among the ancient Jews, if you committed a crime you had to kill a sheep. Now they say ‘charge it.’ ‘Put it on the slate.’ The Savior will pay it. In this way, rascality is sold on credit, and the credit system in morals, as in business, breeds extravagance.”

    Saviors are for people who want to be absolved of their crimes. Atheists, on the other hand, think that people should be responsible for their crimes.

  5. A very content tech Says:

    What can I say,I found what I need in life and most of you, if not all are still looking.Defiantnonbeliever I do not accept your insult ,so you can keep it.You all have a very ARGUMENTIVE NEW YEAR.Hope you all find what your all looking for.God Bless All.

  6. reetBob Says:

    Don’t feed the trolls.

    Do the commenters believe that morality and ethics are part of us as humans or come from society?

    I think most people would feel a strong internal reaction to visible suffering, so moral laws to reduce suffering might naturally follow. How about theft? Or adultery?

  7. Dan Says:

    Tech,
    You say “You all have a very ARGUMENTIVE NEW YEAR,” yet here you are, arguing. Ironic.

    reetBob,
    Sorry, but sometimes Trolls should be treated as what they are.

  8. holysmokes Says:

    Morality is made by humans.

  9. The Heretic Says:

    There are rules that humans have imposed upon themselves so that they may live together civily. Thousands of years ago those rules were intombed in religion(s) – a vehicle, as it were. The Ten Commandments are an example of such. OK – we can throw out the first 4 as religious embelleshments meant to threaten its followers to follow the remaining 6. But the remaining 6 are rules to live amongst one another peaceably. Honor your parents, no stealing, no lying, no envy, no adultery, no murder…..pretty good rules of thumb if you ask me. We atheists need to be careful that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, as it were. We are so committed to rejecting holy books that we try to throw away the lessons of thousands of years. And look at what it has done to our society. We need to embrace the philosophies of civility and responsibility, not relativism. Civilization needs rules, not gray areas of tolerence. In a vacuum, religion will prosper.

  10. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    My apologies to all for my impatient ad hominem, over the diversion from the discussion at hand.
    It seems apt to me that as old fallacies are discovered to be so, systems of morals and ethics should be adjusted to suit so that everyone is best served by them. Traditional morality was extremely cruel and ludicrously far from just, including that attributed to the mythical Jesus.