14th January 2008

“Old theism was happily cutting its own throat for years and things were going quite well, thank you. Then the 'new theists' – the evangelicals and dominionists – started sticking their nose into things. We got schools teaching religion disguised as science and a president who thinks the gods told him to invade Iraq. That's what provoked the 'new atheists' – and that's what's allowing them to get so much traction.”

Anon.

8 Responses to “14th January 2008”

  1. bo Says:

    ha ha so true except for this part the ‘gods told him to invade Iraq’
    it should be his god or a god or the god haha

  2. Thunder Says:

    * ha ha so true *

    This is a (atheist) forum. You enjoy practically unfettered opportunity to substantiate your contentions and yes mens (a-mens). It is a quote from a databased (should have been substantiated but shouldn`t be expected to now) but you can avail yourself of this opportunity and divuldge a quote from the president where he has said that God told him to go to war. I`ll be waiting for your validation but I won`t hold my breath.

    * the evangelicals and dominionists – started sticking their nose into things. *

    As far as I can tell every dispute seems to surround proposed actions of law. I don`t see how attention to ones civic duty constitutes an unfitting engagment for believers. Your wanting to relegate believers to a subservient class doesn`t suggest an enlightened position to me. Sounds to me like a social retrogration.

    * We got schools teaching religion disguised as science *

    The irony is that intelligent design is the new kid on the block where getting science and religion mixed up is concerned. Most atheists don`t know an axion from an axiom but they like to pretend to be enlightened by placing their trust in those they think are enlightened. In other words I agree with that but I don`t think this person understands the irony in his statment.

  3. Pyroclasm Says:

    Well Thunder, since you seem to be too lazy to use a search engine, let me help you out a little bit:

    http://www.google.com/

    Type in “George Bush said God told him to go to war” or something of that nature. Wow! Look at all those hits!

    Seriously, try it. You might find looking up things on your own to be a fun new experience.

  4. Thunder Says:

    * Well Thunder, since you seem to be too lazy to use a search engine *

    Lazy has nothing to do with it. This is a forum (just as a courtroom is a forum). In that atmosphere there is no statment that can stand unless foundation is provided. That is unless you don`t hold that this is a fact finding forum but a rah rah club! You don`t KNOW my process but I see yours on this board and it doesn`t approach objective.

    * let me help you out a little bit *

    Self-reflect. There is no logic or reason in promoting unsubstantial material. Validate it or don`t say it.

    * Seriously, try it. *

    You don`t know what I do. You foolishly think your presumptions and assumptions are valid.

    * You might find looking up things on your own to be a fun new experience. *

    I constantly look things up so I doubt that I would find it a new experience. I would find it a new experience not to have to look something up due to the fact that I find myself in a conversation with someone who is prepared for that discussion.

  5. Charles W. Says:

    The “new theists” in America are destroying the US Constitution, bit by bit, bite by bite. Mike Huckabee is the greatest threat against the 1st Amendment Establishment clause. Let’s face it, America may never be ready for an Atheistic President, but in spite of his being a Baptist, Ron Paul respects the Constitution and seeks to restore that of it which has been taken away. Dr Paul was correct when he quoted that when Facism comes. . .it will be wrapped in a flag and waving a bible. Ron Paul’s run for the Presidency is in the best interests of all Atheists. Be a part of the process, not a victim of neo-conservative roadkill.

  6. Thunder Says:

    Atheists don`t give a damn about the estblishment clause. It has been under assault for decades through the pipeline of academia using redefinition from unratified material to inverse its origional intent.

  7. Charles W. Says:

    Ha! Though Atheists may use the world as a euphemism, we do not believe in “Hell” and as such do not believe in the act of “damning” or “giving a damn.” For my part, being a product of academia, sacred knowledge dispensed by priests so-called academics is as much Religion as the other kind toward which we utter bitter complaints or vehement denunciations. Now that I have finished railing, I quote:
    .
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
    or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. . .
    .
    Otherwise known as the “separation of church and state,” let me say this about that–remembering that the quote of the day concerned the “new theists.”
    .
    Unbridled and left to their own dark designs, the Huckabees and Romneys of this world would like nothing better than to respect an establishment of religion. If we do not defend the Constitution–as it is written and without regard to ratification–Atheism as a point of view will eventually be deemed a thought crime.
    .
    Research Senate Bill S. 1959: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. Especially SEC. 899A definition (4).
    .
    IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based
    violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or
    violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s
    political, religious, or social beliefs.
    .
    In short, thought crimes. And friends, whether we accept it or not, Atheism is both a religious and a social belief.

  8. Thunder Says:

    * Ha! Though Atheists may use the world as a euphemism, we do not believe in “Hell” and as such do not believe in the act of “damning” or “giving a damn.” *

    I was using the word the same way you do. And I am correct. Your pope thomas jeffersons notes pertaining to the issue of a non-theocratic state is the material of redefinition of the establishment clause though that material is extra-constitutional.

    * For my part, being a product of academia, sacred knowledge dispensed by priests so-called academics is as much Religion as the other kind *

    Wrong guess. I am educated. I am no priest in your sense of the word. Atheism is a religion. Just as much based on what can`t be demonstrated as any religion is. It is predicated on one sole contention which is that there is no God. The adoption of the title in preference to the term agnostic is enough to cast the contentions of its adherents into the realm of hope and faith and belief. Words you feign to detest. Your use of the word ‘we’ in your first setences is indicative of your religiousity.

    * toward which we utter bitter complaints or vehement denunciations. *

    More indication of religion according to your very own characterizations of religion in general.

    * Otherwise known as the “separation of church and state,” *

    By revisionists and their pope thomas jefferson.

    * If we do not defend the Constitution–as it is written *

    This is just like having a discussion with a baptist! The sinners prayer isn`t in scripture and the term separation of church and state is NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION!

    * without regard to ratification *

    SORRY CAN`T DO THAT. The oath of office is to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC! When they speak of amendment and you speak in terms of ignoring ratification I can pretty much tell who the enemy of the constitution is.

    * Atheism as a point of view will eventually be deemed a thought crime. *

    Much the same as you atheist already hold religion. Yet another indication of similarity (consistent) with religion.

    * In short, thought crimes. And friends, whether we accept it or not, Atheism is both a religious and a social belief. *

    Wish I had read the entire thing before I responded. But I like it as is.