10th January 2011

“The growing exodus from organized religion is set on a backdrop of increasing Christian fundamentalism. Throughout the year, Americans have been hearing the Tea Party's battle cry of 'Christian nationalism.' Political figures like Sarah Palin have declared that America's laws are based on the Christian bible. The Texas State Board of Education made alarming changes to its history books in order to emphasize conservative values and to minimize the role of the Enlightenment in America's founding. Social conservatives are still trying to force creationism in schools as a legitimate science, and a whale of an ark is being constructed in Kentucky – with plenty of tax perks.”

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15 Responses to “10th January 2011”

  1. Jezebel Says:

    Are Christians getting crazier or are we just more aware of it?

  2. Atheros Says:

    You know,

    That is a very scary quote. The good side is that there is an exodus from “organized religion” but on the other hand, is the exodus happening at the same rate as the fundamentalism?

    Really though, an exodus from all religion is preferred…

  3. CaptainZero Says:

    Clearly, conservative strategists have read Orwell. At the same time, this crowd is having successes perverting and undermining science education. Not only that, they are busily undermining people’s confidence in science in general and promoting a weird form of intellectual relativism that disparages scientific discovery as mere opinion and devalues the hard won expertise of scientists as irrelevant. Let’s hope the exodus becomes a torrent before this country’s pathetic scientific illiteracy becomes economically fatal.

  4. Dan Says:

    I can’t help seeing comparisons with ancient Rome, and how the rise of Christian fanatics rotted out and tore away the infrastructure of society until all that was left was the Dark Ages, and much of the works of ancient scholars were lost. If that comparison holds up, I’d guess we’re currently at about 350CE (maybe later).

  5. Atheist MC Says:

    The increase in fundementalism may be an artifact of a more general loss of religiosity. As the moderate middle fades away the rug is pulled from under the feet of the fanatics, so they squeal louder.
    Education is the key, the Christian right are both intellectually dishonest and deficient. They can be held up to ridicule, which is the best way to contain them.

  6. 6uldvnt Says:

    While I agree with Atheist MC that the christian right are “both intellectually dishonest and deficient,” I’m unconvinced that ridicule is the best way to bring them back to reality (if they were ever there). For generations, the prevailing form of discipline was the rod and only in recent times have we come to realize that positive re-enforcement of desired behaviors will yield better results. Can this philosophy be applied to groups of people with an undesirable political set? That remains to be seen, but I know for myself, if someone ridicules my position, I become more dedicated and entrenched, not less. You cannot shake my resolve with mockery. However, I consider myself to be a logical being as opposed to an emotional being, which most Tea baggers and fundies seem to be. Perhaps scorn and laughter is the best medicine for them, but making fun of them doesn’t make me feel any better.

  7. Atheist MC Says:

    I’m not suggesting that ridicule will change a fundie’s beliefs (not sure anything can), just make them less appealing to potential followers. The tragedy at the moment is the T.B wingnuts are finding positions of authority in the U.S. It’s their credibility that needs to be undermined.

  8. CaptainZero Says:

    I think you ridicule the ideology and praise the saner individuals within it where you can. The fringe needs to be recognizably fringe to prevent its growth.

  9. a very sane tech Says:

    Where do they get this Rubbish?You guys just swallow it up.Question for you Captain, who are you undermining?Atheist when does it become harassment?

  10. reetBob Says:

    Tech, do you see a difference between moderate and fundamental christian belief? Where would you place your own belief on this spectrum?

  11. Atheist MC Says:

    Tech
    When individuals who believe in biblical literalism, 6 day creationism, the rapture and other patent nonsense, have an agenda that includes turning the world’s most powerful nation into a Christian theocracy it would seem reasonable to stop them gaining power in a democracy by pointing out that they are stark raving NUTS! I would hope that moderate theists would agree with that too.

  12. CaptainZero Says:

    And for those that think the concern is overblown, Pakistan, which by today’s standard used to be a moderate and progressive state is rapidly devolving into a nuclear armed and fanatical islamic one. The differences in the thinking of fanatical islamists and fanatical end-times christians are not large. If moderates, be they atheists or theists don’t resist and discredit the actions and rhetoric of the religiously-insane, we will all pay the price.

  13. CaptainZero Says:

    P.S. – Tech…It’s not the first time we’ve heard the “Christians are a persecuted majority” whine from you. It was funny the first time as well. So, Xtians are free to critisize the godless but not the other way around? You poor babies!

  14. A God fearing tech Says:

    You missed the point .You knock the good and bad in everything.I’m for anything that’s good for the world we live in and for my fellow man.But I don’t go around picking holes in everybody’s beliefs either.If a person in society gets out of hand and breaks the law.Then let the law deal with it.You have to believe that these people are there to help us.Its called Faith in human nature.I thank my God for our law enforcers.We need them and they need our support.Besides that as a Christian I believe that God will have the final say in everything.I also believe that He is still in control.

  15. A God fearing tech Says:

    I do not critisize the Godless,there is no such thing.