30th March 2011

“For religious people, atheism is spiritual suicide. For atheists, religion is intellectual suicide.”


9 Responses to “30th March 2011”

  1. R J Says:

    two old and tired ( but also TRUE ) thoughts come to mind……………..

    ” you can say that again ”
    “aint it the truth “

  2. John Says:

    I know this poor 14 year old morman boy that spends his days home schooled, in seminary school, boy scouts, family events of all kinds and wasting what free time he has reading countless books on the great morman cult. His IQ must be over 140 however he is as dumb as a box of rocks when asked about something real. What a waste…

  3. GreatEighthSin Says:

    Very, very true and well put.

    @John “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” – Albert Einstein

    “A fool knows himself to be wise, a wise man knows he is a fool.” – Shakespeare

    Just because he fails in one aspect, does not mean he is failing in others. 14 is a very young age to be drawing some nearly psychic premonition about his future. One of two things can happen after he turns 18, reality will hit him in the face and he will retreat back to his book, or reality will hit him in the face and he will go out looking for his own answers, no matter the pain.

  4. Jezebel Says:

    Membership of any religious group seems to entail leaving one’s brain at the door or, at least, putting it into ‘park’.

  5. Dan Says:

    “Spiritual suicide”? That makes it sound as though something precious has been forsaken. Nothing could be further from the truth though….

  6. The Heretic Says:

    Who said that spirituality requires a deity? The grandeur of nature works for me. Further, who said that all who are religious are not intellectual? They are merely blind to other possibilities in one area. All encompassing judgments and labels don’t help the dialogue. And there needs to be one. One not tainted by name-calling.

  7. Jeff Says:

    I am an atheist, formerly married to a Quaker, whose son received his high school education at the hands of Jesuits, due to a lack of reasonable options for his particular situation (read 200+ IQ). I used to have some rather interesting conversations with the Jesuit who was the President of his school. We used to laugh, that he knew I was going to hell, while I knew he had no hope of reaching heaven.

    The reason the Jesuits were chosen, from among several possibilities (all of which were less expensive) is that when I first came into their school, the first plaque I saw on the wall honored the prior years inductees into the National Honors Society, and despite the fact that their football program holds 10 Div I state titles and 1 national title over the last 20 years, the banners between their field house and gym celebrate Jesuits with Nobel Prizes, not sports titles. The Jesuit love of learning is what leads to them produce more Catholic heretics than all the other religious orders combined.

    While I have always disagreed with them on religious matters, I respect what they have given my son – the gift of a superb education which taught him that he can learn anything, and the ability to hold contradictions to be as valuable as agreements. While decrying their seeming inability respect others opinions on anything beyond an individual basis, we must respect their accomplishments and their positive contributions as well – keeping the flame of learning alive in Europe when it had gone out all around them.

  8. Atheist MC Says:

    Interesting perspective. I wonder how typical that Jesuit president is. I suspect that many intellectuals within the church system are as atheist as they come as religion (at least in it’s more ridiculous incarnations) doesn’t stand up to critical thought. There may be more subversives inside, than snipers outside. I’d like to think so.

  9. Jeff Says:

    Actually, he was quite typical, and not only of the Jesuits, but of the Catholic clergy in general. In fact, there is a saying which regularly makes the rounds within the clergy: A parishioner is a person who has found God, a priest is one in constant search of Him.

    The Jesuits are unique, in that they are each required to have a field of study outside Divinity BEFORE they even begin to study for the priesthood. Just a single example from my son’s school. His freshman English teacher (Composition and Grammar) held twin doctorates in English Lit and Linguistics, and was the general editor of the book from which the course was taught.