6th July 2011

“My creed is this: Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to help make others so.”

Charles J. Ingersoll1782 – 1862

23 Responses to “6th July 2011”

  1. Hieronymus Fortesque Lickspittle Says:

    I always thought that was a quote from Robert Ingersoll, not Charles!

  2. solomon Says:

    Well….
    Nobody is complaining if one wants to be happy. But don’t forget the eternal happiness in the afterlife.

  3. Dan Says:

    Good quote: straight from Epicurus’ teachings.

    Solly,
    Epicurus had another famous quote that responds to what you just wrote:

    Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist.

  4. solomon Says:

    Go on…
    Follow the Epicurus fool straight to !!HELL!!
    And one more thing…
    You will exist & alive in !!HELL!!

  5. Dan Says:

    Follow the Epicurus fool straight to !!HELL!!
    And one more thing…
    You will exist & alive in !!HELL!!

    LOL!!! You sound like a lunatic in the middle of a psychotic break. 🙂

  6. solomon Says:

    Don’t you have anything else to do rather than sitting in front of your computer & typing rubbish.

  7. Dan Says:

    Don’t you have anything else to do rather than sitting in front of your computer & typing rubbish.

    I’m emulating you then?

  8. holysmokes Says:

    Great Quote!

  9. R J Says:

    say dan…………..

    since we’re all going to hell (( except Sol, of course )) , are you

    packing anything special ???? i cant decide if i should take a few extra

    books…or my Rosetta stone tapes for learning conversational

    cursing.

    let me know , O.K. ???!!!??? gotta run… time to watch Sol

    open his mouth to change feet !!

  10. Dan Says:

    @RJ
    I’m not overly worried about what I’ll be packing — I’m content in the fact that I’m a decent person with my priorities in the right places, and if there’s a deity who’s petty enough to condemn someone like me just because I’m an atheist, then who cares. Right?

  11. R J Says:

    PSST !! PSST……………DAN !!!!!

    there’s NO diety !!!!! pass it on !!!

  12. Dan Says:

    RJ,
    Of course. 🙂 The notion of a deity is logically absurd. To quote Epicurus again:

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”

  13. Atheist MC Says:

    I like this quote, difficult not to really. In fact it recognises a fact about human happiness that religion does not, which is humans are essntially good to each other by default. It makes us happy to make others happy which is a rational way for a “pack” species to evolve.
    Religion would have it that we are all nasty evil people who need saving.

  14. solomon Says:

    No point ranting. You’re all going to !!HELL!!
    Atheism seems like an age old fairytale which will soon be a museum exhibits portraying the foolishness of men.

  15. Atheist MC Says:

    as long as it makes you happy….

  16. Edmond Says:

    Why would a god send anyone to hell? For the choices they make during their life? Didn’t he know that they were going to make those choices, even before he created them? Even before he created the universe? So, he created them for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of populating hell. This all-loving, all-knowing god created living, thinking, FEELING beings, people capable of joy and pain, and he did it KNOWING that he was going to eventually throw them in the trash. He could have chosen to not create them AT ALL, but instead he created them pre-destined to eternal torture. Purposefully.

    What a monster. Or, what a monstrous belief system.

  17. CaptainZero Says:

    You are missing one of the subtleties of omniscience, Edmond. God knows everything except those things she chooses not to know. For some reason.

    Bonus question for Sol/Tech: Can God create a rock too big for her to lift it?

  18. Edmond Says:

    As for yesterday, Sol… no, nature does not control free will. NOTHING should “control” free will, or it isn’t free. In fact, the very concept of omniscience destroys free will. The two cannot co-exist. If god knows everything, past present and future, then there IS no free will. If the universe is already scripted out, from beginning to end, then we have no way of deviating from that script. We are just characters in a book that god already knows the ending to. We cannot make free decisions that will surprise god, we cannot make any choices that he didn’t know were coming. Free will is predicated on the future being unknown. If ANYONE has full knowledge of the future, god or not, that erases free will. We become puppets.

    And what is the “medium” of nature? I don’t even think I understand, and I’d have to ask for clarification of your question. The “medium” of nature is reality, it is matter and energy. It is simply the physical universe, operating along the laws of physics. Gods would not need such laws. A god confined by laws would not be a “god” at all. A universe-by-god should operate along the laws of magic, which HAS no laws.

    There is just no LOGIC in a god. Why create humans capable of pain, when you KNOW that they’re destined for eternal pain? Just to create more pain in the universe? Why punish people for the choices they make, when those choices were evident to an omniscient being long before they were even chosen? Why create a universe as vast as this is, when it is only for the purpose of humans who fit on one planet, and then eventually destroy it all? Why isn’t the size of the universe limited to the size of the Earth, since that’s all we need? Why create a “universe” AT ALL? Why not simply create the souls he wants, and send them immediately to their final intended destinations? There isn’t anything they’re going to do during life that will change their destinations, not considering the fact that a god already knows what those destinations will be.

  19. RJ Says:

    edmond……………

    very nice stuff

  20. Atheist MC Says:

    Shorter Edmond, with emphatically no dis-respect:
    There is no such thing as free will.

  21. Edmond Says:

    Oh, I know I could use some lessons in brevity. But I felt that Sol was owed an explanation. I hate assertions of belief that carry no explanatory support showing how a person GOT to their beliefs.

    I do, of course, believe that free will does exist. But only because I believe that there are no entities that know the future.

  22. solomon Says:

    Your useless rants will be dealth with later Edmond…
    Right now I’am attending a course.

  23. RJ Says:

    Edmond’s gonna get it…………………!!!!!!!