9th August 2011

“When I was a child in Ireland most schools were run by the Catholic Church, including the first one I went to myself, where the vicious caning of young boys was conceivably an outlet for repressed sexual energy.”

Anon.

24 Responses to “9th August 2011”

  1. R J Says:

    CANING !?!!??!?

    why…that’s nothin’ !!!!!

    you get them catholics worked up enough, they’ll rip you

    pieces !!!!! and LOVE it !!!!!! check out their benevolent

    tolerance during the Spanish Inquisition !!

    what a bunch of fun-loving madcaps !!!! still at it today too….

    what with a ” altering ” altar boys !

    GO POPE GO

  2. solomon Says:

    Caning?
    Well…thats a moderate form to discipline real bad pupils, but not to the point
    of causing grave hurt.

  3. electrabotanical Says:

    I;m sure the “viciousness” was all in their imaginations. They probably secretly loved it and acted out just to get caned for fun.

  4. Dan Says:

    Religious people DO seem to be a sadistic bunch, moreso than non-religious individuals. I guess one person’s reaction to such sadism is equally valid to another persons… but for myself, I am confused how such people can claim that they’re compassionate. Seems quite the opposite to me.

  5. R J Says:

    dan….i can understand your confusion vis a vis religion-inspired

    sadism………..but surely you’ve heard these two old

    chestnuts……………….

    1) ” this is for YOUR OWN GOOD

    and

    2) ” this hurts me more than it does you ”

    now THERE are two fine examples of religion-created

    rationalization and justification for beating ideas into

    those mis-guided critics and blasphemers !!!!!

    i bet you could hide a whole loaf of in that big hat

    the POPE likes to wear.

  6. solomon Says:

    Ahh……
    only mocking…

  7. Dan Says:

    RJ,
    Exactly – their words and their actions don’t seem to match!

  8. CaptainZero Says:

    I think it’s a problem that extends to Christianity and Islam in general. Support for the death penalty and corporal punishment correlates with religiosity, for example. Christians start with the premise that we’re all fallen creatures so on some level they must be thinking “well, you had it coming”. They will mouth the words “vengeance is mine, sayeth the lord” but they really are hoping that they get to be the tool of that vengeance.

    P.S. – I posted late yesterday. Check out the link. The Catholics apparently chose as their main pedophile investigator a…. wait for it… pedophile.

  9. archaeopteryx Says:

    CaptainZero, that story is illuminating! The old expression comes to mind – “Set a thief to catch a thief” – but I suppose one can’t overlook the possibility that the assignment of the person to the task was accidental rather than intentional.

    Maybe “poacher turned gamekeeper” is a more apt expression? After all, it may help poaching activity if the perpetrator is also a gamekeeper…

  10. CaptainZero Says:

    Oh I’m sure it was accidental but one that might be foreseen given who this cult attracts.

    From wiki:

    Several researchers have reported correlations between pedophilia and certain psychological characteristics, such as low self-esteem[53][54] and poor social skills.[55] Cohen et al. (2002), studying child sex offenders, states that pedophiles have impaired interpersonal functioning and elevated passive-aggressiveness, as well as impaired self-concept. Regarding disinhibitory traits, pedophiles demonstrate elevated psychopathy and propensity for cognitive distortions. According to the authors, pathologic personality traits in pedophiles lend support to a hypothesis that such pathology is related to both motivation for and failure to inhibit pedophilic behavior.[56]

    Personally I think it’s simpler: Repression leads to expression. These poor cloistered fools in their seminaries, cut off from normal human experience, immersed in a world where the idea that they are all pathetic worms, fallen in the sight of God, is drilled into them daily and that their normal human impulses demonstrate that evil.

    Is it any wonder that people that live this way end up deviants?

  11. electrabotanical Says:

    I’d hate to live in a place where most schools are run by Catholics, or any denomination, really (except maybe Unitarians, but they aren’t dogmatic. More squishy in regards to dogma, actually)

    Any place where children are compelled to submit to doctrine in order to learn to read is a repressive atmosphere.

  12. solomon Says:

    Capt’n,

    Your version of the correlation between pedophile & certain behavioral characteristic based on half cooked research is pure rubbish and could be challenged.

  13. CaptainZero Says:

    I’m not a psychologist and I’m damn sure you aren’t either. But I am reading (and quoting) what actual psychologists say. As usual, Silly, you don’t offer any support for your view.

  14. reetBob Says:

    CaptainZero, ” Personally I think it’s simpler: Repression leads to expression. These poor cloistered fools in their seminaries, cut off from normal human experience, immersed in a world where the idea that they are all pathetic worms, fallen in the sight of God, is drilled into them daily and that their normal human impulses demonstrate that evil.”

    I agree but think there is a small but significant percentage of clergy who begin as deviants and join the church in search of power and whatever else it is they desire …

  15. CaptainZero Says:

    I’d say it’s certain you’re right, reetBob but I can’t guess what proportion that could be. You meet many priests? I’ve met several over the years and to a man they were an odd bunch. Never got “interfered with”, thank goodness. Given what we keep reading, that puts me in a fortunate minority!

  16. R J Says:

    hi capt 0……………….

    ” ODD BUNCH ” is putting it kindly……i’ve met and worked with

    a lot of them….and i always had the feeling they were sort of

    “feverish.’

    for some reason, priests always make me think of

    john wayne gacy’s famous quote, ” i like to make

    people laugh ! “

  17. Dan Says:

    Sillyman,
    As CaptainZero said, we may not be psychologists and be little more suited to judge research for how “baked” it is. But given research that’s reportedly been reviewed by accomplished psychologists (CaptainZero), compared with no research at all (Solomon), Captain Zero wins by huge margins every time.

  18. R J Says:

    YAY DAN !!!!!!!

  19. R J Says:

    yay zero !!!!!!!!!!

  20. solomon Says:

    Dan,

    What good would it be if “accomplished psychologists (CaptainZero)” could be challenged? It look as if it came from a poor form of research.

  21. Dan Says:

    Solomon,
    You didn’t read my comment did you? Let me rephrase in case you did, because clearly you didn’t understand… It may be poor research (looks good to me though), but what do you have? No research AT ALL. Zero wins by default.

    And if it could be challenged, (a) it might be refuted, and (b) we’d learn something in the process.

  22. solomon Says:

    The problem with you atheists is too quick to arrogantly claim half baked research have reached supremacy.

  23. Dan Says:

    Sillyman,
    Go back and read our comments. NONE OF US HAVE CLAIMED ANY SUCH THING.

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