10th August 2011

“In the scientific universe, God is squeezed until his pips squeak. If he survives, then he can't do so without changing his form. Only faith makes it possible to look at such a distorted, scientifically respectable deity and claim to recognise the same chap depicted on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. For those without faith, that God is clearly dead, and, yes, science helped to kill him.”

Julian Baggini

26 Responses to “10th August 2011”

  1. Dan Says:

    That’s an amusing way to put it.

  2. R J Says:

    to the concept of a ” god of the faithful “…………………

    R. I. P.

  3. solomon Says:

    Science is God’s property. Nothing is above God in knowledge. Julian Baggini is just one of the many silly condemn atheists.

  4. R J Says:

    sometimes i think that some of the posts on this site

    would make for fine exercise material for students studying

    logic and debate……………………

    you know…..kind of like ” what’s wrong with this picture ”

    the posts that i reeally enjoy are the ones that are

    COMPLETELY illogical….and are totally baseless, and


  5. archaeopteryx Says:

    I like the way Dr Baggini phrased that.

  6. Dan Says:

    As gods don’t exist (even you have never ever produced any reason to believe such a thing), then your comment above is completely meaningless. Would you care to rephrase?

  7. CaptainZero Says:

    Good quote. Science may have been the knife but logic was the scabbard. Well before we got good at the scientific method, the God of the bible/koran was under logical attack. It wasn’t science that pointed out that the ‘omni’s’ were either logically irreconcilable or led to a god with monstrous morals.

  8. electrabotanical Says:

    there have been some nice stories on NPR’s morning edition about the conflict between science and faith. They basically came to the conclusion that religion sidelines itself if it persists in denying science. You can’t deny what is observed forever and not look foolish. It’s the Galileo scandal all over again, but the topic this time is evolution. And “creation science” is a joke.

  9. CaptainZero Says:

    ElectraB – do you know the title of the programs? I’d enjoy that discussion.

  10. CaptainZero Says:

    Nevermind! Found ’em. For others – go to Morning Edition and search for ‘science’ and ‘faith’. Several shows hit the topic.

  11. R J Says:

    another interesting person on NPR is Krista Tibbetts.

    i think her show is called “BEING”………..and we get it in

    southern CT on sundays at 7am…..and repeats the following

    tuesday at 11pm.

    also, she has a thought-provoking book out called

    ” Einstein’s God “……………it’s interviews with various

    scientists and people of faith……..a good read.

  12. solomon Says:


    I have every reason to say God exists. The universe, and other creations have long before exists, despite humans, more precisely its brains, which came much later. Who wants to hear its silly thoughts.

  13. electrabotanical Says:

    Solomon, is English your second language?

  14. reetBob Says:

    Trolls love attention, they need it.

    Engaging them directly supplies the attention they crave. We are the mirror they use to observe themselves and each time we supply attention we encourage them to come back for more.

    Ignore them and their supply dries up.

    Our troll contributes nothing. No humour, no debate, no intelligence.

    I have no evidence apart from my own observations and an interest in the (semi) scientific study of personality.

  15. Dan Says:

    The universe,</blockquote
    Not evidence that gods exist.

    and other creations have long before exists,

    Not evidence that gods exist, at least not without proving that they are in fact “creations.”

    despite humans, more precisely its brains, which came much later.

    Most animals have brains, and those that don’t have neuronal ganglia (mini-brains, basically). That’s pretty good proof that they evolved, and great proof that they weren’t created. So, DEFINITELY not evidence that gods exist.

    So, once again, you’re unable to give a convincing reason that gods do in fact exist.

  16. reetBob Says:

    Thanks Dan. I have respect for your opinion but that was pretty insulting.

  17. Dan Says:

    Sorry, but I cannot fathom how you found that even a little insulting.

  18. reetBob Says:

    Apologies, talking across the internet often leads to misinterpretation. Let’s forget it, I’m suffering from a temperature and fever and am not sure I can think clearly.

  19. R J Says:

    the post logged in at 19:26


  20. solomon Says:

    R J,

    Don,t just know how to accuse.
    State it, which part is complete gibberish & lets start a debate on it.

  21. solomon Says:


    Your rants constitute ‘nothing’ to refute my analogy.
    Do more research.

  22. solomon Says:


    Quite a few have asked me this question.
    Let me stress that language is not an issue here.

  23. R J Says:

    ” I am patient with stupidity

    but not with those who are proud of it. ”

    …..Dame Edith Sitwell

  24. electrabotanical Says:

    In America, the life expectancy and average I.Q. just passed each other going in opposite directions – George Carlin.

  25. Dan Says:


    Do more research.

    Sure, we could certainly do more research. But some research (us) is far, far better than NO research (you).

  26. Dan Says:

    No worries. My apologies whatever it was. Get well and feel better. 🙂