18th August 2011

“Every pulpit is a pillory, in which stands a hired culprit, defending the justice of his own imprisonment.”

Robert G. Ingersoll1833 – 1899

16 Responses to “18th August 2011”

  1. captainzero Says:

    What a great statement but I have less sympathy for the hired culprit than Ingersol seems to. Hmm. Should I feel sorry for the priest for his willing acceptance of mind-forged manacles or despise him for fitting every member of his flock with their own set?

  2. R J Says:

    well, in a sense, the quote has some ironic truth…….but i think

    it’s MOST effective as a sort of concise summation of religious

    insanity.

  3. solomon Says:

    The blind criticizing a blind religion.
    Hmmmmm……….

  4. R J Says:

    capt zero…………………

    i’d go with despise.

    i would feel sorry for the most hideous serial killer

    before i would waste sorry sympathy on ANY

    religious speaker in ANY pulpit.

    it’s true the killer is ending lives. but his act is FINAL.

    pastors, priests and ministers sow their dangerous and

    detrimental seeds every time they crawl into the pulpit

    to “interpret” and spread the word

  5. reetBob Says:

    Wow RJ, you have more sympathy for a serial killer than a priest? That seems so venomous and a touch disproportionate.

    The priest is often as much a slave to his beliefs as his flock. Believing himself to be doing the best work, God’s work, his intention is to do good. Serial killers are almost universally psychopathic predators, uncaring for any moral justification, their intention is to hurt and harm.

    Test the priest with logic, ask him for evidence, demand reason. Hate him for nothing more than a foolish, mistaken belief? That is something I could never do.

  6. Dan Says:

    Very insightful quote from a noted intellectual. 🙂

  7. solomon Says:

    You all keep patting your deceiving lots on the back….

  8. Jeff Says:

    Thank you, reetBob for that breath of air unpolluted by the sulfur of fire and brimstone from either the religious or the unbeliever! Here, among some of the most despised in the religious conversation, we must always be aware that to answer the venom spewed against us with similar venom is to poison all.

    It has often been noted that a penitent is one who has “found god”, while a priest is a man in constant search of him. True men of the cloth know far too much to rely on blind faith, and are, in my experience, far too self-aware to ignore that which they understand. For many, it is an almost unsustainable conflict. Pity them, yes, but to despise them for doing what they honestly believe is holy work, never.

  9. electrabotanical Says:

    Robert Ingersoll stated, the myth of hell represents “all the meanness, all the revenge, all the selfishness, all the cruelty, all the hatred, all the infamy of which the heart of man is capable.”

  10. electrabotanical Says:

    Bravo, Jeff.

  11. Jeff Says:

    A quick note to Solly:

    Since all religions require an act of faith (or as some would term it, BLIND faith) are religions are blind. Therefore, discussing any religion in any form is the blind criticizing a blind religion. We are all blind, sir, and all religions are blind as well.

    The only possible exception to the above that I have found is Buddhism, and the Buddha was neither god and is not worshiped. I’m not even sure that following the Buddha can truly be classified as a religion, but rather a personal quest for a form of enlightenment. I merely prefer mine with a dash of physics, thank you.

    I’ll assume we all know how a Buddhist orders a hot dog.

  12. CaptainZero Says:

    Electra – good follow up quote and I agree. If there is a god, the idea that she would feel the need to torment certain of her children forever is to insult her with with a vengeful spirit only a diseased human mind could conjure. Such things would surely be beneath the dignity of a creator deity.

    Jeff – I like your take on the quote and I think that’s what Ingersoll was getting at. It’s hard for me, however, to distinguish between the priest as honest believer and the priest as power seeking huckster.

    A favorite of mine:

    “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson

  13. electrabotanical Says:

    Ok, I’ll bite.

    How does a Buddhist order a hotdog?

  14. solomon Says:

    Jeff,

    I’am referring to one of the many blind religions. However there is only one religion that is not blind.

  15. R J Says:

    contributors……….

    some found my post, logged at 5:54, upsetting. i do not retract

    the words, but i will say that i did not mean to cause

    distress. my intent was only to display my contempt.

    i do not feel the least motivation to behave in a genteel

    manner toward those persons that i consider poisonous.

    and it makes no difference to me that such persons may

    consider their efforts ” holy work .”

    there IS NO holy work.

  16. Dan Says:

    However there is only one religion that is not blind.

    Every religion says that, and by all appearances, every religion is wrong. But I suppose, Sol, that you can delude yourself into believing whatever rubbish you want.