19th September 2011

“If a parish church in a mixed neighbourhood only attracts the richer, more successful types, and fails to appeal to the others, then its aura of success is actually failure.”

Theo Hobson

14 Responses to “19th September 2011”

  1. R J Says:

    when i was growing up, my family were regular- to- moderate

    churchgoers. both of my parents were , at times, active

    in church functions, and groups. the church supported cub,

    girl and boy scout troops, allowed neighborhood groups to

    use its facilities, and made special efforts to look after

    sick and elderly members.

    aside from any spiritual considerations, the church used

    its collective strength to contribute to the community, and

    to be a force for community growth and welfare.

    i have a little issue with the above quote in that my

    childhood church had no ” aura of success. ”

    nor do i think their motivations were anything other

    than a genuine desire to help folks deal with local


    i think it was Sinjin who said the other day that

    WORSHIP was a core problem for atheists……and i

    think he’s right. and, of course, that’s mainly what

    churches are all about.

    but, if you forget that function, and look at the

    practical good work that churches DO accomplish,

    you can see that there’s no reason to fret over some

    imagined aura of success.

    and this from a theologian !

    the dumb-ass ought to know better.

  2. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    It is as if some people are motivated by the notoriety of being charitable moreso than a genuine concern for another; but would have you think their concern for others was genuine.

    Others, and not only atheists, concern with their own interests includes the interests of others and it is typical of these people to avoid the appearance of any public recognition of their charity.

    As such, in these circumstances the church lets a group of parishoners share in the experience of having been charitiable even if they personally contributed nothing to the charitable effort.

    Not all church goers are this way and indeed many may be doing charitable good works for no other reason than it is within the realm of their self interest. This is a good thing.

    But what then of the free pass given to those that reap the credit for having been charitable under the banner of the chuirch when they have not actually been charitable?

    Is there any requirement for a church in being charitable?

    No! Only when our self interest includes charity will there be any honest giving of oneself.

    Theo Hobson’s quote points to this hypocrisy.

    The equating of of a person operating upon your own self interest with evil is not always the case. Honest charity is the case in point. This is the chief cause that has arrested moral development of mankind and should have been rejected. The idea’s chief sponsor has been religion.

  3. n0m0l0s Says:

    One only true honest deeds is only submit to the only one true God almighty. Other than that there is only side interests or personal agenda.

  4. CaptainZero Says:

    Submitting to god sounds, uh, kinky.

  5. Dan Says:

    Why should we submit to a deity that YOU don’t believe in strongly enough to name?

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    n0m0l0s Says:
    “One only true honest deeds is only submit to the only one true God almighty. Other than that there is only side interests or personal agenda.”

    I reply: Several many false dishonest is everything to the every false diety without any might. Other than that there is only nut bags who can’t complete a sentence.

    n0m0l0s is a follower of the cult of homsexual pedophiles.

  7. CaptainZero Says:

    SS – “Several many false dishonest is everything to the every false diety without any might.” – Great sentence. Where did you and Sillyman get the nonsense generators?

  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Capt: Wasn’t easy but I just buckled in and worked it our until I had something just a stupid as silliman.

    For siliman it just flows from his mouth like diarrhea from a sphincter.

  9. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Someone find Dan, he needs to read this

    Atheists are as big a threat as climate change deniers

  10. Dan Says:

    Ha! That’s amusing! And I don’t know about the rest of you, but I feel all warm and fuzzy thinking that anyone would feel that I’m threatening.


  11. R j Says:

    POST AT 1737

    that was really neat !!!

    i wanna get a nonsense generator !!!!!

    hell, my dog “Rocky” can write better

    lines than U-NO-HOO !!!!

  12. R j Says:

    or maybe


  13. R j Says:

    POST AT 1014

    YIPES !!!

  14. R j Says:

    frank skinner is a mental case.