22nd September 2011

“The Universe is populated by innumerable suns, innumerable earths,
and perhaps, innumerable forms of life. That thought expresses the
essence of the Copernican revolution. No revelation more striking has
ever come from the scientific mind.”

Robert Jastrow

21 Responses to “22nd September 2011”

  1. captainzero Says:

    And yet, for some reason, it was all created for us.

  2. archaeopteryx Says:

    A bit astronomer-centric, possibly! I don’t disagree but there have been other findings that push our species out of the limelight in which some of its members thought it dwelt. For example, the Darwinian revolution.

    The wider idea is called the principle of mediocrity – if the hypothesis that there are many universes is true, we will be even more mediocre. There’s a thought to start the day!

  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    I find one thing common to the religious and that is a lack of comprehension with regard to the size of it all. They don’t understand how fast light travels, or that the distance it ravels in a year is enormous, and that the many billions of light years distance it is across the universe is staggering.

    They are quite content to chalk it up to this all being, omnipotent god they have never met. This personification of what created everything belies a lack of understanding that no person or personification could take it all in. No one could sift through the galaxies, and planets to find Earth. It would be like you or me going to a beach in Japan and finding a specific grain of sand that we had said we were looking for, one that we knew intimately before we left the US.

    How big it all is matters because it is too big for any god.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Schrödinger’s paradox

    The concept of Schrödinger’s paradox originates from the ideas presented in What is Life?[8] A quick account of the Schrödinger paradox and its solution: In a world governed by the second law of thermodynamics, all closed systems are expected to approach a state of maximum disorder. In contrast, life approaches and maintains a highly ordered state – which seems to violate aforementioned second law. The solution to this paradox is that life is not a closed system. The increase of order inside an organism is more than paid for by an increase in disorder outside this organism. By this mechanism, the second law is obeyed, and life maintains a high order state, which it sustains by causing a net increase in disorder in the Universe.

  5. Atheist MC Says:

    The earth is not a closed system. It orbits the sun.

  6. s0l0m0n Says:

    Sinjin Smythe is one blatant fool, very quick to believe the lousy so called “Schrödinger’s paradox”.
    The whole universe is not only governed by second law of thermodynamics or any other lousy laws. It is governed by God’s law which its knowledge can’t be grasp by the most intelligent humans that ever exists.

  7. Dan Says:

    Okay, I’ll bite: What is your god’s law?

  8. archaeopteryx Says:

    Consider what Wittgenstein said: “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.” I think we can agree that this is good advice.

    Therefore, s0l0m0n, unless you are one of “the most intelligent humans that ever exists”, how can you justify speaking about what you call god’s law?

  9. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    s0l0m0n Says:

    “… governed by God’s law which its knowledge can’t be grasp by the most intelligent humans that ever exists”

    Again with the bold assertions but nothing to back it up, Typical solomon.

    Solomon assertions, like assumptions, make an ass out of you.

    For more on that idiot God and his simple minded moron friend solomon see;
    God’s Laws and Principles
    http://www.2001translation.com/Laws.html

  10. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Solomon do you remember back when I challenged god to take my life? Do you remember all of my blasphemy? Do you remember how I dared him to take me? Why hasn’t he?

  11. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Solomon said “The whole universe is not only governed by second law of thermodynamics or any other lousy laws.”

    Kind of stupid statement at best. Check this out:

    The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution, and Probability
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html

    “The creationist position would necessarily discard the entire mathematical framework of thermodynamics and would provide no basis for the engineering design of turbines, refrigeration units, industrial pumps, etc. It would do away with the well-developed mathematical relationships of physical chemistry, including the effect of temperature and pressure on equilibrium constants and phase changes. “

  12. Jeff Says:

    Sinjin,

    In other words, it would get rid of the entire basis of modern civilization and return us to something akin to the 13th or 14th century. From the standpoint of those who prefer indoor plumbing, this is, of course, not a good thing. However, from the standpoint of those who would have us judge our actions and thoughts from the views of a bronze or even pre-bronze age civilization, that’s just about right.

    It’s OK, though. I’ll just have my slave take the slop bucket down to the creek, and make sure my well is at least 500 yards away from the dump point. I don’t need those vaccines, just good sanitation – oh, we don’t know about those things yet, do we…

  13. R j Says:

    sinjin…………….

    i love to contemplate the unbelieveable distances

    in the universe…………..just staggering to think about.

    AND…..in all that unknowable vastness…..there aint

    nobody dumber than ” u-n0-h00 .” HA !

    ===========================

    anyway, i as a life-long student of thermodynamics ,

    have been able to distill much of the theory down to the

    following :

    beautiful girls are really HOT.
    the earth is filled with beautiful girls.
    therefore, the earth may be considered a HOT place.

    AND…………

    there are NO beautiful girls floating around in
    outer space.
    so, space may be considered a COLD place. (brrrr)

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    POST AT 1653…..

    VERY foggy gibberish.

    also, i am proud to stand shoulder-to-shoulder

    with sinjin and our our other thinker/contributors

    and humbly accept the title of “blatent fool ”

    yeah yeah yeah !!!!!

  14. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Thanx R j! Yes Jeff we are going back to simpler time, or a simple minded time when brainless idiots swear they talked to burning bushes, took thier life guidance from an imaginary man who live in the clouds and tossed thrunderbolts when he got mad.

    Back to R js point about hotties. I was in the supermarket last night and this girl, maybe 18 to 20 years old, and I caought each others glance. It wasn’t the first time and man oh man is she just beautiful.

    Now I’m late 40s right, so what does a dirty old man do but fantasize all day about this stuff. I know it.

    But for one thing, every time I see her there she smiles at me, if I’m in her line at the check out she sometimes touches me (which I love), and she has mentioned several times what time she was getting off work.

    It has been 20 years since I was playing the field and maybe my mid-life crisis mind is flaking out, but it sure seems she is sending the message I want to hear.

    I have this overwhelming desire to ask her out and I nearly have before remembering I’m married, a father, old enough to be her father, and I’ve got the prototypical mid-lifers gut. There can be no way she’d say yes.

    I’ve be thinking about how I might turn the date question into a joke so I could escape humiliation and still get the question across.

    So you see solomon is right: I am a “blatant fool”.

  15. R J Says:

    sin…………

    NAAAAH !! that stuff doesnt make you a blatant fool.

    you’re just a normal guy with all of his circuits humming !!

    i would offer you this : cherish the fantasy…..and leave

    the reality. fantasies are always bright and full, and

    their colors never run !!

    NOW………..

    about this going back to a simpler time………….

    it sounds swell and all…but you and jeff go ahead.

    i’m staying here.

    i’m so usedto modern luxury that my idea of

    ” roughing it ” is a black and white TV at

    the holiday inn !!!

  16. s0l0mon Says:

    That’s the beauty of religion…
    You can have fantasies and reality go hand in hand.

  17. R j Says:

    POST AT 746

    ALL religion is fantasy. aint no reality to it.

  18. Dan Says:

    Solomon,
    If you think mixing up fantasies and reality are great, I think you can find some great hallucinogenic drugs to achieve the same effect. But I’ll admit that you’re way is less expensive.

    But if you describe that mix of fantasies and reality as beauty, I have to suspect that you either are using an incorrect definition of beauty, or you have an addled mind.

  19. S0l0m0n Says:

    My use of the word beauty is in a certain context. Don’t get confused.

  20. Dan Says:

    Sorry Solomon, but I am confused, and it’s because you’re unable/unwilling to articulate yourself clearly. Explain what you mean clearly, and stop running away from critical discussion, or accept the fact that most people will think of you as a fool.

  21. Dan Says:

    And incidentally, Solomon, you make this guy look sane by comparison:
    http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Angry-Muslim-Man-2.jpeg