7th December 2011

“Faith cannot be debated, it can merely be asserted.”

Andrew Sullivan

10 Responses to “7th December 2011”

  1. electrabotanical Says:

    Stupidity can be denied, but it’s still evident.

    Rick Perry, we might be referring to you, buddy.

  2. n0m0l0s Says:

    Stupidity………simply use the word.
    How would you define it? Individuals who simply labelled stupidity upon others are themselves equally stupid, but they don’t realise. Be more careful in using this term. Those who simply use the word might think they are intelligent enough. No…no..they are wrong!

    Just an intro…will continue on the topic of ‘stupidity’ later.

  3. captainzero Says:

    I’ve noticed it’s at the point in the debate when the theist trots out ‘faith’ that you know they’ve given up on trying to justify their belief with ‘facts’. I assert that the invisible pink unicorn in my den can beat Jesus at arm wrestling. Prove me wrong, heathens.

    Almost as fun are ‘deeply held beliefs’. They seem immune to the fact that a deeply held belief can be deeply wrong.

  4. archaeopteryx Says:

    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
    Christopher Hitchens

  5. jhm Says:

    If faith were simply a matter of having kooky ideas, this would be fine; I myself have kooky ideas, which I often don’t have the means to defend. I do not, however, insist that these are absolute truth and that anyone else follow my lead because of their obvious moral value; neither do I ignore obvious evidence contrary to my kooky ideas in order to preserve them in my worldview.

  6. Dan Says:

    No Solomon, pointing out the stupidity of many of your comments (for instance) does not make us stupid, any more than pointing out that someone is a genius makes me a genius.

  7. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    There is a space where the use of the word “stupidity” can be used to discharge the anti-intellectual ramblings of a fool.

    First and foremost, when a person asserts the existance of the Loch Ness monster but is then unable to produce any compelling evidence over a significant period of time. Devoid of facts and for having bored us with endless supposition we, for having provided the person ample opportunity, can at a point dismiss the person as “stupid”.

    Second, when they monster stories of the Sasquatch big foot, the giant sea monster kraken, etc slip into history alongside the Ogre, the dragon, ghosts and goblins, demons and devils, gods and angels, etc we can correctly say these ideas are of a less enlightened time: Stupid times.

    When in the course of a modern person’s life they find themselves asserting myth, legend, retelling the ancient blatherings of less enlightened people they are embracing the anti-intellectual ramblings of a fool. A person who knew no better. It is stupid to do this.

    So Solomon calling a spade a spade is just that and nothing more. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

    1 Timothy 6:12
    Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

    Take something on faith: to accept or believe something on the basis of little or no evidence., to believe someone or something without proof

    John 17:3
    And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

    Natural selection has developed potential biological immortality in at least one species, the jellyfish Turritopsis nutricula.

  8. Jeff Says:

    Dan, there is one difference between stupidity and genius – while a fool can recognize the former, the latter often goes unseen, or is mistaken for insanity by those who would prefer that it remain conveniently silent. The problem with dear old solly is that he convicts himself of stupidity with his words, and is so stupid that he cannot recognize that of which he is guilty.

    It doesn’t take genius to adopt the skepticism which leads inexorably to the rejection of the godhead, merely the willingness to inquire beyond the conventional wisdom. I believe that it was Arthur C. Clarke who noted that the best way to find the next revolution in science was to look at what all the greatest minds of a given time accepted as absolute, and then go another direction. In Physics, Newtonian Mechanics checked out to the last few decimal places, but in those few decimal places lay Relativity. And in the last few decimal places of Relativity lay Quantum Mechanics. And in the last few places of the combination lay Strings. In none of them lay a requirement for God.

  9. Dan Says:

    Good point, Jeff.

  10. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    More evidence found for quantum physics in photosynthesis
    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/12/more-evidence-found-for-quantum-physics-in-photosynthesis.ars