28th January 2012

“The church has always been late. We were late on slavery. We were late on civil rights. And now we're late on this [the acceptance of gays].”

Jay Bakker

6 Responses to “28th January 2012”

  1. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    I don’t know if it was that they were late. Bigoted, prejudicial, stupid sure, but just because they wised up long after the rest of the animal kingdom doesn’t necessarily mean they were late.

    No the church is by design divisive, exclusionary. A repeated and primary point within religious doctrine is the this is us/our side, that is them/their side.

    The great Catholics Adolph Hitler and Al Capone typify the use of bigotry in motivating the masses with hate.

    Today we may not have a Catholic religionista of this high order but other faiths have demonstrated no hesitation to offer up their own. Osama Bin Laden being the crack pot of the last decade or so.

    The great love of my life is a lesbian so maybe because it hits so close to home my views are more sensitive when it comes to homosexuals? My first and best hero was Roberto Clemente so maybe I give blacks and latinos more respect for that.

    I just don’t think it is tardiness to the rights of mankind that undermines religion.

    Any time god explains that you must kill someone else for any reason you know one thing for sure, that ain’t god.

    It is one thing when you like one team and I like the other, its just a game.

    When you think your faith is better than another’s, or better than my lack of faith, that isn’t a game. That is mental illness.

    That is unless of course you think the Hitlers, Capones, and Bin Lades are sane.

  2. RJ Says:

    this dopey quote only has meaning if

    you give a damn about how the church

    feels about ANYTHING .

  3. Atheist MC Says:

    It doesn’t take long in conversations about slavery for someone to point out that Wilberforce was a Christian. People seem to forget however that his greatest opponents were the established church.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    It also doesn’t take long for the same people who abhor government intrusions into their business affairs to insist upon the religiously motivated intrusions into the liberty of the individual.

    As what I think of being conservative is, I’d prefer government stay out of both.

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Some common Catholic Church (and mafia) customs include:

    Hear, see, and speak no evil. Never discuss evidence.

    Deny everything. Pretend the event never happened.

    Invoke enigmas. State that the situation, number of people involved, and circumstances make the truth impossible to discover.

    Internal affairs. Church situations are above the law andshould be resolved without impartial police investigations.

    Fall-back Don’t admit to child abuse; admit to beingalone with the child, instead

    Silence critics. Use financial might to arrest, detain, or blackmail people who oppose your views.

    Defame critics. Use financial might to destroy a critic’sphysical health, finances, or emotions.

    Lie. Introduce new information designed to mislead others.

    Vanish. If someone has crucial information, have them“vacation” somewhere remote.

  6. Capt'Z Says:

    RJ – I DO care what religious faiths positions are because those positions impact me. But I agree with Sinjin that they aren’t so much late as pragmatic. They will hold such and such position until that position becomes untenable within society then they grudgingly ‘reinterpret’ their holy books and will claim that they were all along working for the new position. Case in point – until just before the civil rights act was passed, the mormon cult’s official position of black people was that their skill color was a mark of evil. When It became clear that civil rights legislation would cause problems for them, their prophet had a ‘revelation’ and suddenly, no no, blacks are the same as you and me! Talk about your cynical assholes.. They MAY do the right thing but it’s almost never for the right reasons.