5th February 2012

“What Islam most needs to do is to find ways for its vast majority to express their condemnation of a murderous minority. We are prepared to accept that silence does not mean indifference or tacit approval. But if silence means that those who say nothing about atrocities generated within the Islamic culture are worried that they will help anti-Islamic forces in the West then they are mistaking their real enemy.”

Clive James

7 Responses to “5th February 2012”

  1. Atheist MC Says:

    The problem many of the mainstream muslims have is that condemning militant Islam is to deny aspects of the Qur’an that justify it. It opens up the their holy book to the charge of errancy and they can’t have that can they?

  2. jhm Says:

    Seeing the volumes of violence in the old and new testaments which is routinely ignored by ‘mainstream’ christians and jews et cetera, I discount Atheist MC’s comment above to an extent, and my first reaction to this quotation was that it did not really fit under the atheist rubric.

    The demands of rationality that we share would, should we take these texts as guides, force us to confront this dilemma, but the faithful have renounced such demands on their intellects; some to the point of making ‘rational’ derogatory, akin to ‘secular.’

  3. Dan Says:

    I assume that another element of the hesitation of moral Muslims to speak out is fear for their own lives. It seems that it takes an awful amount of courage and self-sacrifice just to stand up for an innocent in these parts of the world, from what I can tell.

  4. The Heretic Says:

    Anyone who speaks out against Islam is usually under a fatwa to die. Hardly anyone speaks out – and the ones that do are in hiding for the rest of their lives or killed/beaten/stoned whatever. If the mass populace had any moral courage, they would put a stop to this, but they don’t.

    When several men from the new world signed the Declaration of Independence – they too had warrants out for their families and themselves. That took moral courage, because they had everything to lose. These were rich men, merchants, landowners, and they all had families. Many of them lost a great deal including members of their families.

    My point is this – moral courage is possible – and I hope they find it within their ranks in the Muslim world. The majority should be tempering the fanatical minority, not the minority scaring the rest into silent submission.

    Remember, there are approximately 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world. Even if only 10% are radical fanatics – that is still 160 million of them – or half the population of America. That is a lot of savage, misogynist would-be-murderers to contend with.

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    The real enemy of the faithful are the institutions of faith itself. AMC you are correct I think, but Islam is not alone in the “errancy-phobia”. jhm there are slighlty different definitions educators use to define the word rubric these days:

    * If you refer to the meaning “heading on a document” I, for having posted here for some time, think this quoation is entirely consistent with the quotes of the day discussed here.

    ** If on the other hand you mean to define rubric as “a direction in a liturgical book as to how a church service should be conducted” well I think atheists generally see no value in church services being conducted. That this quote fits into discussions found on this page? It fits nicely!

    *** As a statement or purpose, or a category I suppose we wouldn’t say today’s quotation was our rubric but this quotaqtion certainly does fall under the rubric of what fuels our discussions herein.

    To speak to your coment further we are all aware of the quality of religious guidance over the centuries. I don’t believe, and I suspect several others here will not either, that there is a human need for religion, it’s guidance, or even of it’s presence in any form other that what museum goers might find among the Egyption amulets, the shrunken heads, the voodoo dolls, and other artifacts of a frightened ancient people.

    Dan of course you are correct. Apostasy, in Islamic states in particular, is most often punishable by death. The Abrahamic faiths guide followers to murder for apostasy “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend… Thou shalt not … pity him… thou shalt surely KILL him”
    —Deuteronomy 13:6–10.

    The shortcoming of today’s quotation is in in the use of the word “minority”. The only persons unaware of the regular daily killing motivated by religious faith is the sadly deluded religious majority.

    I think about the recent Christian religious backlash against Jessica Alhquist in Rhode Island. The pathetic nit-wits who live their day in devotion to their imaginary lord and savior Jesus Christ and then post hate and threat by night.

    Religion is evil. All religion is evil. There are no exceptions. Religion has nothing to offer modern man. God as defined witinh the bible is not good. God as described witin the bible is the singularly most hatred filled viscious, mean and cold hearted villain humanity has ever known.

    If not for the shear silliness of faith in general, and the fact that I’d never subject myself to worship of any kind, following Judaism, Christianity, or Islam has got to be the worst of all the conceivable choices in the history of mankind. At its very best it is a grandiose waste of time.

  6. solomon Says:

    Just lies. Atheism is a movement just to rid religion. They have a hidden agenda funded by wealthy atheists to spread lies and not to give chances to their opponents to voice their views.

  7. Dan Says:

    Oh frequent-flyer Troll is here. Welcome back Solomon. So is this your latest delusional claim – that we’re the ones silencing dissent with violent threats??

    Sinjin,
    Yeah, except I’m not just talking about apostasy. Even your average peaceful Muslims need to keep their heads down, for risk of being murdered for something as simple as sticking up for an innocent. Either you’re a murdering Muslim, or you keep your mouth shut. Or at least that’s what I interpret from what I read about such parts of the world.