22nd February 2012

“The cognitive dissonance one encounters arguing against circumcision is just amazing. We're asking mothers to admit they did something bad to their babies. Asking doctors to admit they had no medical reason for surgery. It's an uphill battle, but one we should engage.”


12 Responses to “22nd February 2012”

  1. Capt'Z Says:

    There is no moral difference between male and female circumcision. The outcome of female circumcision is undoubtedly worse since it completely removes the main area of sexual pleasure from a woman, but both are mutilation, plain and simple. If an adult wants this, I say go for it. Doing it to a child is abuse.

  2. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    The number of people conflicted within the context of beliefs impressed upon them by religious organizations from birth is a vast and varied as the number of people who claim to be of faith.

    The great majority freely admit to this when pressed. The few that will not bare striking behaviorial similarities to sociopaths.

    It is reasonable to conclude from this that faith is unnatural and of course; what faith does not ask its adherents to accept certain supernatural events and or abilities held by its profits?

    It is precisely the cognitive dissonance associated with faith that is its undoing: If one will only take this into account.

  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Prophet…Salesman always has profit on the mind. Apologies.

  4. The Heretic Says:

    I have had a discussion with a mother of two circumcised boys. She said it was done so her sons would look like their father. In response, to clarify, I said, “so you husband was mutilated, therefore they should be too?” This sent her into a rage of how dare I ask such about such a personal decision.

    I find it very common, in America at least, the ‘belief’ that circumcision is much healthier than not. Personally, I find the practice repugnant.

  5. rj Says:

    circumcision is one more baseless belief in an

    OCEAN of baseless belief !!!! Ahhhh , the

    religionistas are SO entertaining !!!!

  6. Jeff Says:

    Gotta check in on this one from the distance of 56 (closing on 57) years since I was clipped, and 31 since my son was. Neither one of us remembers the procedure, and frankly, I didn’t think about it much when it was done to my boy. The arguments were just getting rolling back in 1980, as I recall. All of the mutilation arguments aside, there are a couple of things that can be said in its favor, BUT I EMPHASIZE, ONLY ON THE MALE SIDE.

    First, I found it really helpful with Catholic girls, whom, it has been noted by the philosopher Billy Joel, start much too late. The flip side of that is that once they get started, they do like to check out, shall we say, alternative packaging, based upon my personal experience. (I was in the second wave of the sexual revolution, thank whatever luck placed me there.)

    Second, based upon a number of conversations between my son and his college aged friends (some with my participation, some within my hearing), I have some anecdotal evidence that young ladies currently in their late 20’s and early 30’s, at least, were then far more likely to orally reciprocate on cut rather than uncut gentlemen. This might be because those uncut friends of his (all good Catholics, I might add) were not fastidious enough about certain hygienic requirements, but…

    So, on balance, I’m comfortable with the shape I’m in, and I think my boy is, too.

    To cut or not to cut, that is the question. Whether it is nobler…

  7. Xhim Says:

    I’m surprised this is an issue here. My [religious] parents had me clipped but for health, not religious reasons. This article on the health part was interesting:


  8. Greg Says:

    Statistically, a person is more likely to get appendicitis in their lifetime than they are to suffer complications related to having a foreskin.

    So I ask the proponents of medically necessary circumcision; do you also give your infants an appendectomy?

    (Jeff: Isn’t it weird that some girls find a mutilated penis more normal?)

  9. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Xhim it is coming too soon that we are in the same boat again: My parents are not religious but had my brother and I “clipped” for health reasons. I can’t say I have a basis for preferring it this way, but I do. My Dad wasn’t until he was in his 60s.

  10. Atheist MC Says:

    As a Cavalier, not a Roundhead I actually have a reason (that not even the faux familiarity of the internet will pursuade me to share) to regret not having being “clipped”. But, I cannot conceive of a legitimate moral case for parents having their children circumcised whatever the unforseen benefits may be.

  11. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Yes AMC it seems more aestetic? Like breast enhancements or lipo. Which only makes it seem weirder?

  12. Atheist MC Says:

    Beauty is in th eye… Apparently