22nd March 2012

“When was the last time that an atheist knocked on your door and asked you if you had allowed Darwin into your life?”


11 Responses to “22nd March 2012”

  1. Xhim Says:

    Tee hee. Even I think that’s funny!

  2. archaeopteryx Says:

    Just in case anyone here hasn’t seen this…


  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    I’m a salesman. I have many times asked a stranger for a moment of their time, a moment to explain to them the value, the features and benefits of a particular product. I have asked for appointments where I would come to prospective customer’s places of business for the sole purpose of explaining, demonstrating, and encouraging a potential client to become involved with my company by making regular purchases from my company,

    I’ve sought to understand their difficulties, their problems as it relates to the products I sell, and I’ve done so for the express purpose of persuading them that I could alleviate certain difficulties, that my company would be a better choice than their present way of solving their problems.

    I’ve spoken to large audiences and small, and even to and audience of one. In tactics strikingly similar to the door knocker, the pamphleteer, and the evangelist I have attempted to lure good people to my ends, to my interests.

    In a way I can relate to the lawyer, the politician, the lobbyist, and the people spreading the good word. The “salesman” is stigmatized much in the same way as we all (salespeople included) stigmatize certain professions or certain actors.

    Salespeople (You know, people who try to convince you of things, people who try to talk you into things, sometimes fast moving, fast talking strangers whose interests are not obviously aligned with yours or you suspect may not have your best interests at heart.)

    I too have the natural defense mechanism that goes off anytime I’m being sold on a product or idea. I don’t want to be conned anymore than anybody wants that.

    As such I’ve pursued “relationship selling” as a career choice instead of “one shot deals”. Relationship selling where it isn’t necessarily the present sale that matters so much as the future sales. A type of selling that is future dependent upon the customer satisfaction with past sales. Having to always do right by people or you starve.

    Everyone knows the one shot deal sales guy: aluminum siding, swimming pools, cars, et cetera are products common to the one shot deal guy. Many times the ranks of these types of salespeople are populated by people who will say anything to get you to buy, care only that you buy so they can profit (you be damned), and who you never see again. (Regretably Mitt Romney comes to mind)

    I get a lot of moral life lessons from relationship selling as it demands you be good to people, you can’t cheat anyone ever, your reputation is of paramount importance.

    The con man, who differs from the salesman in intention, is rightly stigmatized as the low life he is.

    There exists a gray area though and it is where people who are trying to sell you on an idea or product do so on intangibles or on a basis that hasn’t been fully determined, understood, or proven.

    Religionistas are probably the very worst offenders of this kind of trust. No where have I ever seen or experienced the violation of this trust between people than in the area of the religious sell. To say this is nothing more than highlighting the obvious of course, but sometimes the con man’s best strategy is proffer the absurd.

    It is a tactic of the con man to suggest the impossible; that much is obvious. (Hitler talks about this to some extent)

    What isn’t obvious (to most people) is the difference between spreading the nearly impossible to prove idea that supernatural forces or entities are playing a part in the human experience (the good word) and the flatly impossible (spagheti monster/Santa/Easter Bunny).

    As a salesperson, I hope an honest salesperson, I hope I have explained that a bar of credibility must exist before you can sell into the gray area above the bar, but not below. You can’t just believe anything and everything without becoming conned.

    Professing a personal relationship with your lord and savior is a lot like wearing a sign that reads “credulous dope” around your neck, sure the admission is lighter and easier to carry around, but it doesn’t really communicate anything different.

    When anyone tries to sell you on the gray area idea of having such a relationship, sharing such a relationship, contibuting to the effort to spread the good word directly from your pocket and/or knocking door to door you have to ask yourself: Is this sell above or below the credibility bar?

    What is the possibility this person is enriching themselves or some interest that isn’t you as opposed to, what is the possibility that what they are saying is actually true.

    I think we can safely say odds aren’t favoring, by a wide margin, the ole lord and savior.

  4. Dan Says:

    Thanks Arch! Yeah, I’d seen that some years ago, and it never gets old.

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Why Do Atheists Know More About Religion?

  6. R J Says:


    i rewally liked your long post about relationship sales…………

    very interesting stuff…..and thank you for the words.

    keep up the great stuff !!! R J

  7. Dan Says:

    I’ll echo RJ’s appreciation of your salesman comment! And as you know, I share the sentiments strongly as I’m pretty much in the same field – I’m essentially a salesman myself.

    Definitely the only way to go is to be an honest salesperson, by representing only the best quality products, with the best quality after-sales support. Integrity is everything. If you don’t know your product or the customer’s needs or that what you’re selling is actually better than the alternative, you’re just a dishonest schmuck.

    And that, in my opinion too, is what is wrong with missionaries and evangelists and others who push their beliefs on others. They have zero integrity. They’ll attempt to sell you their religion upon you without understanding their religion, or my existential concerns, or much of any philosophy to compare their beliefs with.

  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Rj & Dan thank you both. Your opinions matter alot to me. Meeting with your approval is envigorating and validating.

    I had meant to include the link with the original post to support what I was saying.

    Dan it would be perhaps both funny and eye opening were the folks at Pew Research to look into how many of the door knocking nin-com-poops had actually read the bible.

    It might give a new understanding into why so many people slam the door in their faces. Said with a chuckle…

  9. R J Says:

    note to all……………………….

    look up the laurie goodstein article about the

    survey that discovered that atheists are

    generally the most knowledgeable people

    about religion !!!!!

  10. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    snore, too many words in comments to read or listen to. Salesman?, uh no thanks, I’ll call u, bye. Then again maybe I should read later to try to learn something as can’t seem trade water in a desert for a ride to safety.

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