5th April 2012

“Polls show that people like me are a growing portion of the population in America. We are coming out more and more, declaring ourselves as agnostics, atheists, nothings, secularists, humanists and many other tags that describe our state of not believing in a god or gods.”

Nica Lalli

5 Responses to “5th April 2012”

  1. Stephen Caldwell Says:

    Let us hope that these polls are accurate as I often feel surrounded (and suffocated) by my religious co-workers. Enough of this nonsense. I recently attended the Rally for Reason (3/24/12) in Washington D.C. How uplifting it was to be others who share the same views and values. And I did not feel the least bit out of place. We should not feel embarrassed or uncomfortable anymore!

  2. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    I understand how some people might be reluctant to profess no belief, but I have never felt it necessary to conceal the fact. Maybe that is due to my parents never involving me with religion (thank god!).

    I also never feel surrounded and/or suffocated among the faithful. Rather it seems to me that it is the faithful who are objectified. It is the faithful who are looking over their shoulders. I often wonder how they come to accept this “being watch over”, they would tell you that they have no problem living with god as their co-pilot, but for one thing it isn’t god: it is the other congregates, the other people of faith watching them, making sure they stay in line.

    It requires great internal character to live an honest life. To stand up and embrace loneliness as just another side of the great grand experience of life. To be a part of a community not as a frightened needy tag along but as an independent person.

    Non believers that are comfortable with their position have no other way to view the faithful as anything other than frightened insecure animals.

    It is Maslow’s hierarchy of needs where non believers are simply above and beyond the baser security and safety thing.

  3. Xhim Says:

    Stephen and Sinjin, I would hope you would not feel embarrassed or uncomfortable – or surrounded and/or suffocated – around believers. During the years I lived in Dresden (with a significant non-religious population) it never occurred to either me or them – that I was aware of, at least – that our viewpoints should be a source of discomfort. They expected me to be just who I am, which included for instance my offering to pray for them in specific situations, and I expected them to also be themselves, which sometimes included their turning down my offer. I think Sinjin’s description of “frightened insecure animals” is more the problem than any specific source of that frightened insecurity.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Xhim,

    As I said being around religious people doesn’t mean one thing or another to me. I’m indifferent to their presence to the degree that they are expressing normal/ordinary behavior. Now when they start dancing with snakes in their mouths, or knocking on my door, or otherwise making grotesque public expressions I’m looking for the door, but that has nothing to do with religion. I avoid all lunatics equally.

    As for “frightened insecure animals” the statement isn’t intended as an insult, although I’m sure it could be construed as such, the reference was an attempt to describe a perspective.

    The perspective: Anyone, believing the message without question (religious or political or any belief), is doing so too often out of a fear of attack or retribution.

    “frightened insecure animals” is meant to describe these folks. I don’t mean to say “all religious people are animals”, rather the “sheep” of any belief system are “frightened insecure animals”.

  5. Xhim Says:

    Thanks, Sinjin. I didn’t take it as an insult, either. I, probably like you, run into a lot of very insecure people in all walks of life. That insecurity seems to lead them to do some very strange things. It is therefore a pleasure to be able to interact with people who are comfortable with who they are. They are a lot easier to talk to than people who have to defend themselves on every little detail because they are NOT comfortable with who they are.
    It also doesn’t bother me if people knock on my door. If they are so excited about what they have that they want to share it with me, good for them. Just yesterday the Jehovah’s Witnesses knocked on my door. Don’t agree with them, but thanked them for their enthusiasm and sent them on their way.
    Now if they put their foot in the door and refuse to go away, that’s not nice and I tell them so.