9th May 2012

“I refuse to have 'natural' law preached to me by people who are celibate because of their spiritual beliefs.”


10 Responses to “9th May 2012”

  1. Capt'Z Says:

    I refuse to have natural law preached at me by people that know nothing about nature.

    P.S. – Sinjin – LOVED that motivational poster yesterday.

  2. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Thank Cap! I love the sentiment of your post today: “know nothing about nature” really says it all.

    Yesterday: Was trying to speak with a no-nothing religionist and had to cut it short for brainlessness becoming aparent. A rather typical all things equal point about unbelief being a belief? Geez these meatheads can be absent of logic.

  3. Dan Says:

    Unbelief being a belief?! I’m not sure if I would’ve had the patience to explain it to him or her, or if I sarcastically ask if “bald” was now a hair color…

  4. Xhim Says:

    There might be an argument that a shaved head is a hair style? At least, that’s what my balding friend who chose to shave his head told me.

  5. Dan Says:

    I’m not sure that no hair is much of a hair style. 😉

    Anyway, the point still stands about “unbelief,” or the absence of belief, being a belief. It would be considerably more acceptable to say that I (and I assume Sinjin and others here, but I hesitate to speak for them without their consent) believe in an alternative to the supernatural or divine. Such as this, which I don’t honestly know the origin of but nonetheless ascribe to:

    “I believe in time,
    matter, and energy,
    which make up the whole of the world.

    “I believe in reason, evidence and the human mind,
    the only tools we have;
    they are the product of natural forces
    in a majestic but impersonal universe,
    grander and richer than we can imagine,
    a source of endless opportunities for discovery.

    “I believe in the power of doubt;
    I do not seek out reassurances,
    but embrace the question,
    and strive to challenge my own beliefs.

    “I accept human mortality.

    “We have but one life,
    brief and full of struggle,
    leavened with love and community,
    learning and exploration,
    beauty and the creation of
    new life, new art, and new ideas.

    “I rejoice in this life that I have,
    and in the grandeur of a world that preceded me,
    and an earth that will abide without me.”

    Now that is a better answer for “What do I believe?”

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Dan that is hilarious! Good to find you in another place online. That was a great line about bald being a haircolor and an absurd attempt for that dude to try and say it was a hairstyle. Leave it for xhim to consider it.

    Forget how many men would actually choose bald as a haristyle if they weren’t experiencing hair loss: Like none or very close to I’ll bet.

    With all the talk about false dilemma on those postings our boy completely immersed himself in stupidity.

    Not having belief like not having hair is the same, either way you don’t have it. Choosing to believe in baldness as an alternative to believing in hair is simpleton jibberish.

  7. rj Says:


    is there any wat you can send me that reading???????????????

    it’s beautiful and i want a copy to keep.



  8. Xhim Says:

    Very good, Dan. Actually, the whole question of whether a non-belief is a belief is like politicians arguing about the shape of the negotiating table.

    Sinjin, actually I know quite a few guys with no hair loss who shave their head. Most of them are black. I’m trying to think if I know any white guys who are not balding who shave their heads, and none occur to me. So for white guys at least, you may be right.

  9. Dan Says:

    Xhim (and Sinjin),
    Good analogy with politicians!

    But for balding, I used to shave my head around 5 years ago, and I’m white. Then I got lazy with it, honestly, and only clip it down to stubble every 4 weeks or so.
    Anyway, I’d agree that the shaving or hair-cutting part is a hair style, but it’s still not a hair color. And balding, as opposed to shaving and which I originally referred to, probably wouldn’t even be a hair style since it’s not a choice or a fashion by the person – it happens to the person.

  10. Dan Says:

    Thanks – I got that version from Pharyngula some 4 years ago:

    But PZ Myers doesn’t claim to be the author of it, only citing it as “An Atheist’s Creed.” I’ve seen various permutations around the internet, but this is the most concise version I’ve seen. And despite looking, I’ve never found an original author of that version. There probably isn’t one, since it’s a faceless, changing series of views that many have paraphrased and modified to their own liking over the years.