10th May 2012

“Believing in something doesn't make it true. Hoping that something is true doesn't make it true. The existence of God is not subjective. He either exists or he doesn't.”

Ricky Gervais

20 Responses to “10th May 2012”

  1. R J Says:

    wel……DUHHHHH !!!!

  2. Xhim Says:

    I fully agree.

  3. Capt'Z Says:

    quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

    – If no grounds have been given for an assertion, then there are no grounds needed to reject it.

    So far, we haven’t been given much in the way of evidence for God. Moldy books don’t count.

  4. Dan Says:

    Yes, repeating that there’s a God often enough and with enough conviction doesn’t make it true.

  5. an american scientist Says:

    This may be a rather innocuous quote, but Mr.Gervais has apparently been more thoughtful, viz.:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/12/19/a-holiday-message-from-ricky-gervais-why-im-an-atheist/
    That piece includes a more clever, widely cited quote:

    “So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I’ll say “Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…” If they say “Just God. I only believe in the one God,” I’ll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and they don’t believe in 2,869.”

    I particularly enjoyed his handling of the predictable readers’ questions:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/12/22/does-god-exist-ricky-gervais-takes-your-questions/

  6. reetBob Says:

    Xhim, yesterday,

    I think you’re missing the point. The hair style thing is simply an analogy. When you push the analogy too far it obviously breaks down.

    Understand what the analogy is trying to demonstrate: atheism is not a belief system; and if you disagree, argue that atheism *is* a belief system. Don’t argue that bald *can* be a hair style so therefore atheism must be a belief system, that’s a trivial argument, it’s fallacious on many levels, and has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

  7. Xhim Says:

    reetBob, I getcha. Twas merely one of my lighter moments.

  8. reetBob Says:

    You were trying to comfuse the issue and you know it.

    Atheists do not have lighter moments.

  9. R J Says:

    ph, now-now reetbob…………..

    i have my occassional lighter moments !!

    like for example when i hear that yet another

    insane-puke suicide bomber has blown himself

    and a bunch of other people into bloody

    mush.

    i mean ya cant hear about stuff! like that

    and have a frown on yer face !!!!!!

  10. Dan Says:

    reetBob,
    Why so serious? (just kidding)

    Yes, I for one was having “a lighter moment” yesterday in my comments.

  11. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    reetBob, all kidding aside, I coun’t agree more with your post today.

    The tendency of religionista to equate all things equal, to stand on the idea that you believe what you want I’ll believe what I want as if we were talking abbout rights and personal freedom conveniently avoids the fact that things aren’t equal.

    Atheism isn’t a belief system. You believing in Santa Claus and me not having that belief aren’t the same at all.

    You actively choosing to believe in something that has nothing to supports its belief thereof, going out of your way to champion that belief in something that can’t be supported with evidence, that exists as only a cheap hypothesis at best, is very different than me not having that belief and admitting it.

    Mother Teresa, of her own admission, didn’t believe in the existance of god for the back half of her life. It has to make one wonder how many lower profile religionists are exactly like Mother Teresa not having any real belief in god.

    The absence of god’s presence in plain sight is more than enough to dismiss the idea as silliness.

    There can be no redeeming aspect of religion for one simple reason: It is all phony!

    Imagine how Ron Hubbard would be laughing if he weren’t dead and could see how a crop of Hollywood nutbags has taken his Scientology crap as real? He constructed Scientology as the philosophical underpinnings of characters and plots he would write about. Who knew anyone would take it seriously.

    Well it has happened before: Torah, Old Testament, New Testament, Koran. Guess what it will happen again. Book of Mormon.

    Just mindless crap for idiots.

  12. The Heretic Says:

    I very much like the acerbity of Ricky Gervais – especially when he is talking on faith/religion. Faith in a deity is wishful thinking that there is always someone shepherding us and will take us somewhere beautiful and peaceful, if we have earned, it upon our death. We just need to believe. Religion is man made, therefore completely corrupted by every deadly sin imaginable. They require that you believe, sometimes at the barrel of a gun, because they need to keep their racket going. Oh and they need cash, now, in small bills please. People who have faith I can handle, as they tend to be benign, even though they are grown adults with invisible friends. People who have religion, those are the dangers to society.

  13. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Heretic I’ll have to agree with you today!

  14. Xhim Says:

    Wow, Heretic, you could have been quoting me on about half of what you just wrote! I would of course, quibble over the wishful thinking part, but I agree that religion is man-made. When I have belabored the relational aspect of my faith, that was in contrast to the set of rules and mandates and stress on conformity that is religion. Not that I object to ALL the rules and mandates, but they are not the essence.

  15. reetBob Says:

    Dan, ergo, not a true atheist.

  16. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Funny how xhim seems to dance around the shortcomings of faith. It almost seems as if he is just bursting at the seams, trying to contain the truth, that he thinks religion is bunk and admit that he has no belief in god.

    Seems his faith is something he forces upon himself?

  17. Dan Says:

    reetBob,
    LOL Sure…

    Seriously, you have ZERO sense of humor? Really?!

  18. reetBob Says:

    Lol, humour doesn’t travel well across the internet. Perhaps i needed to follow up with a wink, but telling people you’re being sarcastic is so lame.

  19. reetBob Says:

    Actually, aside from the quote and the topic at hand but an interesting cultural digression nonetheless, the English tend to understate sarcasm and Americans tend to overstate it. I’m often criticised for being too ‘dry’ even in this country.

  20. Dan Says:

    reetBob,
    Ahh… gotcha.