15th May 2012

“We have no right to force our beliefs on others or to use fear to scare people, especially children, into our particular belief system.”


14 Responses to “15th May 2012”

  1. R J Says:

    are you listening , religionistas ???????

  2. Capt'Z Says:

    Anon is obviously not a religious person.

  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    It is the most damning aspect of faith that it must be crammed down a child’s throat for it to have any real chance of staying with a person to adulthood.

    If we were to be brainwashing our children with any other nonsense these same people of faith would have you arrested. Bible crap somehow give you the right to saturation bomb a young child’s brain?

  4. The Heretic Says:

    Children are particularly susceptible, but religion is used widely in all “help” groups. All your Anon. groups, prison rehabilitation groups, etc. The public at large is attacked with this fiction when they are at their lowest points. And the worse religionist is a Born-Again-Christian.

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Heretic I could not agree with you more today!

  6. Xhim Says:

    Heretic, you are repeating something that has been posted here before, and really amazes me. Yes, the “help” groups tend to have God as an integral part of the program. But in my experience, these are the groups that have success. Do some addicts come clean without God? Sure, but a very small minority in my experience. You will find most “non-God” treatment programs don’t even track their success rate in any form. These seems to be because the results are so discouraging.
    Similarly the prison rehab groups. Prison Fellowship has a very low recidivism rate that no one else touches. Yet you seem to hold their success against them and call it brain washing. I don’t understand.

  7. Dan Says:


  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Bit of a leap there xhim, I mean there are simply far more religion dependant people laiden with guilt complexes, and fearing eternal damnation than atheists: Needing rehab or not needing it.

    Lets be honest atheists are simply not in need of said services. Likewise you don’t find atheists in jail as they just don’t commit crimes and aren’t available or needing prison rehab.

    Surely you can see the obvious? Surely you can admit god in rehab is isn’t about success, it is for so many of the god fearing in need of help.

    Bragging about the succes rate of rehab success of religious programs is like bragging that 99% of all inmates are religious.

    Heretic is completely correct if he’s interpreted to be “hold(ing) their success against them and call it brain washing”. Were they all atheists they woudn’t need the service.

  9. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Statistically speaking of course xhim!

  10. R J Says:


    google ” the orange papers ” and take

    a look at what they have to say about

    the whole ”higher power ” concept

    in the help groups .

  11. Dan Says:

    If Xhim has no citation, this comment of his was more than “a bit of a leap.” It sounds like total BS, for the reasons that you enumerate.

  12. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Though I think xhim is operating on the wrong premise, and that I think it’s premise isn’t what he thinks it is, I thought I’d be as nice as I could. You Dan are of course correct.

    I think I provide ample resource for what I say, but if ever in doubt I ask that I be challenged by anyone and everyone.

    Collective consciousness is rarely the repository of fact that xhim supposes. He really ought to cite sources.

  13. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    R j the orange papers are not something xhim wants to see I’m thinking. Tough to have your mere notions upset.

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