1st June 2012

“Enlightened, secular civic society is such an improvement on the thousands of years of corrupt and abusive theocracies of the past we've simply forgotten how appalling life under the priests was. It's taken untold generations to diminish religion's role in public life – please let's keep it that way!”

Anon.

9 Responses to “1st June 2012”

  1. reetBob Says:

    Is it really fair to blame religion for all the corruption in history?

    Religion merely represents one small tool in the historic abuse of power

    Theocratic influence in modern democracies is still unjust and unrepresentative. It is an anachronism and should, in my view, be purged from politics.

  2. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    Religion has been and still is a major tool of manipulation and stupefaction of both the masses and much corrupt leadership. In the US we seem to continually backslide into it’s grips, if we’ve ever really gotten out of it with the exception of some metropolitan areas. Secular social support infrastructure is and has been weak and often entangled by religion’s pernicious influence. I used to think religion was dying here, with perhaps the sort of optimism of Bertram Russel, but now see it as still perhaps a fatal mind virus to the species.
    I hope the internet will rapidly loosen it’s grip but fear it’s distracting and divisive nature will prevent humans from dealing with real global challenges successfully in time.

  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    When you hear that 95% of the world’s population is religious or claims to believe in a creator god, or when you read of the middle ages and how there were no people admitting to being without faith, then you simply can not deny the influence of religion in world history. Religion’s influence has been simply enormous and with the history of wars, thefts, murder, rape, and every conveivable atrocity is frankly impossible not to see religion in everything evil man has ever pursued. Rather than a “small tool” as you put it reetBob I would describe it as the death star.

    I have to agree with Defiantnonbeliever “major tool” is far more accurate. Separating our governance from religious influence is the most important thing free people can do for their future. The next stage in the evolution of mankind is to become free rational actors capable of operating their conscious thought in the face of competing ideas and influential pursuaders.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx?utm_source=tagrss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

    So nearly half of all Americans are idiots: Wow!

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmund Paris Permalink: http://amzn.com/0937958107

  6. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    I just read that poll Sinjin. It seems only 15% of americans know basic biology, or in other words, do to religion the US education system failed 85% on biology’s foundation. What hope is there for the US to deal with the specie’s crux challenge of dealing with adjusting to ecological limits to population and exploitation?
    The christian religion’s anti-science policy has held science back for a crucial 2k yrs. while population has grown beyond sustainable limits and rapidly needs to adapt. Islam has done the same. I fear religion has already caused human extinction or at least a die off to nearly that level.
    If the US had continued to accelerate it’s push for science since the 1950s instead of regressing since the 80s, the quote might have made more sense instead of sounding very dated or delusional as the the progress made.

  7. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    correction- ‘delusional as to the progress made’
    even though substantial in some places it’s far short of what’s needed.

  8. reetBob Says:

    Been away from my computer and any mobile signal.

    I would say that the major causes of pain and cruelty, caused or inflicted by humans, has always been humans’ natural greed and selfishness. Humans have rarely needed excuses to be cruel to each other, for example, see the etymology of ‘decimate’, religion was not a feature.

    I agree that religion does tie us to our barbaric past, however, we have never needed religion to be shitty to each other.

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