22nd June 2012

“Secularists must avoid anti-religious bigotry and defend religious freedoms, but we must also remain vigilant to safeguard republican values of democracy and secularism against attempts to confuse church and state.”

The Morning Star

11 Responses to “22nd June 2012”

  1. Ozell Gimbel Says:

    Very informative article. Really thank you! Much obliged.

  2. Dan Says:

    Unfortunately, Republicans in the US don’t generally have these “republican values” that the Morning Star speaks of. #Ironic

  3. TIGERLILY Says:

    Dan,

    I could not recognize these ” Republican values ” either.

  4. reetBob Says:

    Excellent find, admin.

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    This quotation embodies all the difficulty of being a registered Republican and also an atheist. The “religious” right’s political occupation of the Republican party is an affront to Republican values.

    No war of the last century was entered into by a Republican, todays so-called Republicans seem anxious to engage in the next.

    Today’s Republicans have contorted Capitalism into a partisan pro-business construct that bears little resemblance to the free market Capitalism. This big spending pro-business position to stand opposite the other pro-labor extreme offered on the left. Lost is the pro-market policies that benefit the people. Lost is the careful spending, the mindful taxation, and the rights of the individuals.

    Now everyone is a big spending Liberal, beginning with Mitt Romney!

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Several adults were at the home reciting a prayer, and had apparently been fasting because “the world was going to end,” said Nezahualcoyotl assistant police Chief Samuel Cuevas Monroy, quoting the boy’s grandmother. The mother, identified as Maria del Carmen Rios, 28, reportedly told the boy to close his eyes and when he refused, she decided to gouge them out “to clean them.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-05-25/mexico-boy-mutilated/55210158/1?csp=obnetwork

    Thank you Jesus, see what you started? Hope you are real happy with what you have brought to this world. Man oh man aren’t you the greatest?

  7. Jeff Says:

    Sinjin,

    Considering that the Morning Star is a British newspaper, originally founded as the Daily Worker in 1930 and being the newspaper arm of the Communist Party of Great Britain, I don’t think the “republican” values of which they are speaking bear much relationship to the “Republican” values of which you are speaking.

    Now I have to question something. If it is great that a group of people can form a corporation for the purpose of creating and selling a product, why is it so terrible that a group of people can come together to form a union to sell their labor to the corporation?

  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Jeff,

    Oh I’m with you on forming a union to sell group labor to corporations. I’m not objecting to that.

    I was referring to the polarization in American politics where the interests of union and corporate groups take precedence over the rights of the individuals not part of either group. That our two party system, in its polarity, has left behind the great many people between the extremes: Pro-business and pro-labor.

    That once American Republicans valued pro-market, pro-free market Capitalism. Where today, Republicans are championing limited markets, pro-business corporatism.

    The exact meaning of Republicanism varies significantly. Enough that to say so is to highlight the obvious. You are correct in noting that it would be a bit of a contradiction for me to advance a meaning of Republicanism as defined by The Morning Star.

    One Note: The American Republican Party has not been about the rejection of the political ideology of liberalism, fact is many principles of American conservatism are based upon classical liberalism.

    Law as the mitigating factor: Republicanism over pure democracy on the grounds that pure democracy is the unrestricted rule of the majority unrestrained by law.

    The playing field, the market, must be free. When either or both, the pro-business or pro-union forces, are able to control or limit market competition people lose, lots of people: Like the middle class people who have less money today than they had 10 years ago.

    Wikipedia indicates that 12.4% of Americans are union members and if we lump them into with the pro-business 1% elite rich that push pro-business positions about 86% of the rest of the country aren’t being represented.

  9. Gunnys Says:

    Really good one :D.

  10. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    The district attorney, Charles J. Hynes, alleged that the men were part of an effort to protect a prominent member of the Satmar Hasidic community, Nechemya Weberman, who has been accused of 88 counts of sexual misconduct, including oral sex with a child younger than 13 years old. The charges all involve one girl, now 17, who was referred by her school to get counseling by Mr. Weberman, and then alleged she was abused by him during therapy sessions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/nyregion/4-ultra-orthodox-men-charged-with-trying-to-silence-accuser-in-abuse-case.html?pagewanted=all

  11. Lars Says:

    I disagree with the statement “secularists must avoid anti-religious bigotry and defend religious freedom.” I believe that religion, all religion, is the greatest mortal enemy to the human species. I believe that total eradication with malice is warranted and is the only way the human species can begin to recover and subsequently advance to it’s full potential. Ahhh, dreams…