12th July 2012

“There are major double standards going on here. I'm not remotely religious, but I can see how it's considered perfectly legitimate to demonise the whole of the Catholic Church, say, or even Christianity in general. But when it comes to Islam, everybody gets very tongue-tied.”

Peter Whittle

11 Responses to “12th July 2012”

  1. Kenny Duit Says:

    Very understandable in the USA. There are many more Christians to interact with in the US and the bible is in every hotel room, and most Christians still haven’t really read it. The number of Qur’ans in the US is very limited, so most folks, Christian and Atheist, have little knowledge of the religion and no Muslim to debate it with.
    Islam is the religion of peace, but only to other Muslims. When you read of the prophet’s “night ride” that started the religion, you easily see the fairy tale for what it is; Once Upon a Time…

  2. Defiantnonbeliever Says:

    Muslims are hardly peaceful towards other muslims as they attack each other more than others as is the same with christians.
    The real silliness about this quote is that from the atheist perspective nearly all criticisms leveled against the illogical nonsense of christianity also apply to muslim holy books in spades, but simply goes unsaid as it would be redundant.

  3. Panzerbjørn Says:

    To be fair to Christians, they aren’t as likely as Muslims are, to bomb you if you say something they don’t like or if they feel offended.
    Whether by a real or imagined slight…

  4. TIGERLILY Says:

    The fatwah ?? pronounced on Salman Rushdie should give a clue.

  5. Dan Says:

    I’m with Kenny. If you live in the US you aren’t likely to be as concerned with what happens in other parts of the world as you are to issues closer to home. And in that respect, Catholics are pretty bad.

    I note that Peter Whittle is a Brit however. Any thoughts from the British atheists here?

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Only thing is much the same could be said of the many faiths other than Christianity: Buddhists and Hindus aren’t well understood here in the US but for the Muslim predilection for violence we don’t even collectively remember these folks.

    Awkward moments abound with Buddhists but you don’t expect a fight over these. There hangs a cloud of insanity over Islam that other faiths are better able to mask.

  7. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    And Dan it is clergy sexual abuse that Catholicism is known for here is the US which occupies a very different space than the stoning of children and blowing up buses that define what being a Muslim is to Americans.

    It smacks of the ugliest hypocrisy when any religious person speaks of “peaceful faith” but none more than Islam.

  8. Dan Says:


    Yeah, no disagreement there. The Catholic church deserves a heaping load of criticism, as I said.

    On the other hand, I can’t avoid the fact that, Catholics as individuals aren’t nearly as insane as individuals from Evangelical and Fundamentalist backgrounds, generally speaking. Or anyway, I know plenty of Catholics who don’t carry their religious beliefs on their sleeves and exaggerate those beliefs to the point of being truly insane. And Catholics have never come knocking at my door to try to shove their ridiculous beliefs down my throat.

  9. Jeff Says:

    You are right about the ones on the doorstep, Dan, but, on the other hand, it is Catholic Bishops who threaten Catholic legislators with excommunication or exclusion if they don’t legislate the tenets of the Faith into law. As for me, I’d rather have them at the door than in the legislature…

  10. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Jeff that is simultaneously tough to stomach on either level, but I’m inclined to agree. I saw some crazy education survey of the many different religious affiliations and lack thereof and to no surprise the door knokers rated at the least educated. I can’t imagin they carry much political clout.

    Influential Catholics on the other hand, along with rich white old school WASPs, are connected politically like no one else. When it comes to Christian charity that goes right out the door.

  11. Kittie Aldakkour Says:

    Mallard Fillmore was almost censured here in San Antonio one year because of a cartoon about Islam. Some muslim woman wrote in about how horrible it was to explain the joke to her eight year old.. I had an 8 year old at the time and found it hard to believe her son was reading Mallard Fillmore and getting offended – normal 8 year old kids do not read the political cartoons. They really do not even look at the paper. It is annoying the kid gloves that come out when dealing with these issues. There was a muslim candidate running for state rep. on the north west side – he was talking about our public education system and what he would do… all the while his kids were attending a private islamic school… A columnist for the paper was urging people not to use his religion as a factor in voting for him….. and went on a tour of said school – noting the “separate facilities” for women … that this man supported, yet wanted to be a representative for all??? I wrote in urging everyone to strongly consider this man’s religion when casting a vote – I do see the muslim community getting a free pass on their customs. Nobody wants the bigot lable .