13th December 2012

“The right uses religion to justify unconscionable actions – one of which is the need to control, dominate and accumulate power over others.”

Anon.

15 Responses to “13th December 2012”

  1. Kittie Says:

    In my latest dust up with christians – Here is what was offered as proof –
    No. 1 asked me if I loved my kids… of course I do – she said how do I know, no proof. Cant’ touch it, hold it prove it – but it is there – just like god.

    No. 2 trotted out the old atheist death bed scenario – suffering – no meds can help and then he decides he must have been wrong to trust science…(no shit that is what she wrote) so he asked her to call a priest at which time his pain subsided and he fell asleep peacefully and died… I lambasted her for using the atheist death bed story as a scare tactic and that it was deplorable. Of course the “outrage” and demanding of apology still hasn’t ended – and the names they called me…. whew… I wonder how they would be if they weren’t meek and mild christians… lol
    No. 3. told me that her 4 year old niece saw an angel after her grandma died… but nobody had explained to the kid that the death had occurred… So that proves it. Well I just trumped her 4 year old story with my 5 year old son’s account of working in the twin towers mail room…. ha and he has never been to New York!
    I am sure I “outed” myself as at best a questioner of the almighty one and at worst a devil worshipping atheist after that little facebook quarrel… so it is probably a good thing we will be going to Germany in June.

  2. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    The left uses government to justify unconscionable actions – one of which is the need to control, dominate and accumulate power over others.

    Right or left, church or state, the objective is to control people who yearn to be free.

    The Age of Enlightenment grew to challenge Christianity as a whole, generally elevated human reason above divine revelation, and down-graded religious authorities such as the Papacy based on it.

    The conflict that was brewing among religious groups in the 17th century causes me to question the real motive for the fleeing to America. I think it is too simplistic to say it was all religious persecution. I suspect at the core of the desire to flee England was the human desire for freedom from oppression, and in the case of England oppressive taxation.

    Supporting this it the age of Enlightenment where as it arrived in America in manifest itself in the founding fathers efforts to define a new government of the people.

  3. The Heretic Says:

    Sinjin, thank you for stating that politics has nothing to so with anything. There are theists on both sides of the aisle. I am more worried about distructive ‘progressive’ mentality (on the world stage – not just US) than anything that the theists (with the exception of Islam) are doing. In fact, if I were to choose sides, I would choose the conservative theist over the liberal atheist. The freedom that our Enlightened Founding Fathers created in the US is being dismantled joyfully at a terrifying pace. And most Americans are too ill-informed or uneducated to see or understand what is taking place. Religion has nothing to do with it.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Thanx Heretic! Power, and the love of it, even though it be a prison itself, is rooted in the ego of emotionally charged simpletons.

    Hiding the quest for power within religion as conservatives do or within noble notions about the role of government as liberals do, doesn’t differentiate conservatives and liberals as they most assuredly think it does.

  5. Jeff Says:

    Heretic,

    SO you’d chose Adolph Hitler (Conservative Theist) over Mao (Liberal Atheist)? In organizational terms, the KKK over say the FFRF (Freedom From Religion Foundation)? Sorry, neither of those seem like very good bargins.

  6. Atheist MC Says:

    My my!, the libertarians are out in force today.

  7. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Jeff,

    Hard to accurately categorized Hitler as simply a conservative theist, he was foremost a fascist/corporatist which opposes multiple ideologies, such as communism, conservatism, liberalism, and social democracy.

    Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

    All of liberalism and conservatism does not lie at the extremes of either.

    AMC yes there is a lot of lisertarianism on the table: What is wrong with that?

  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Mao was influenced by Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin

    There are obvious parallels between Mao’s China, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Each of these regimes witnessed deliberately ordered mass ‘cleansing’ and extermination.

    Mao’s wild fantasies led to the deaths of tens of millions of people.

  9. Jeff Says:

    People are confused by the idea of a political spectrum from right to left, and miss the fact that when either end goes off the cliff it results in a dictatorship – either the dictatorship of the right (Fascism) or of the left (Communism). However, in terms of atheism, the Fascists always claim that god is on their side, and the Communists replace Him with dogmatic Marxism. As to the combination of Left and Right that you claim fascism to be, I’m sorry, but the only thing they seem to have used from the left is the rhetoric. Hitler, et al. were as far right as any one in history.

  10. The Heretic Says:

    Although Nazi is basically a shortened version of the National Socialist party, it had little to do with Socialism. (Which would be far left.) It was more of a statist authoritarian regime – something that is now most commonly found in Communist countries (oops – far left there.)

    As conservative principals generally stand for smaller, less intrusive governments and reliance on the individual v. the collective, Nazism generally has more in common with the far left which embraces large governmental bureaucracy as the answer to all societal ills.

    The fact that it was Nationalistic, or fanatically patriotic, has nothing to do with the patriotism of the right. In fact, the lack of general patriotism on the left is sad commentary on their ideology in general. This lack of Nationalism has left our borders in tatters causing more harm than good. It is also a tragic kick in the gut to all the patriotic souls through the ages that have given their lives so that the far left can piss on the legacy left to them.

  11. Dan Says:

    Sinjin,

    The left uses government to justify unconscionable actions – one of which is the need to control, dominate and accumulate power over others.

    Come now, the exact same is true of the Right also. They just have different opinions about what needs to be controlled. By the same standards, it’s just as unconscionable. The same is true of most aspects of human life, due if for no other reason to the fact that there is inequity in the world.

    Under any system, you will have those who are dominant seeking to control and consolidate power over others. I think it was only the Marxists who thought it possible to have a world of greater equity.

  12. Jeff Says:

    The only thing socialist about the National Socialists was their appropriation of the word to sucker the masses. If you bother to study the ideology you’ll find out that the Aryan Brotherhood (aka the right wing of the KKK, today) takes their ideology directly from the folk that marched under the crooked cross. Don’t feed that BS on this site, thank you. It’s a lie that Mr. Beck and company have been peddling to make themselves feel better, and if you buy it, you’ve been just as suckered as those who bought it in 1932/33.

    Read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf back to back, and you’ll see that any resemblance between the ideologies is strickly in Glen Beck’s mind.

  13. The Heretic Says:

    I am not certain how Glenn Beck figures into this conversation. What I will say is that the KKK was a southern Democrat organization (remember ole “sheets” Robert Bird? anyone?) They were organized by Democrats to scare people who were in favor of Reconstruction (in the mid 1800s) and Civil Rights (mid 1900s). There has been an attempt to rewrite the histories of these eras to blame the right – but it is factually inaccurate.

  14. Bruce Williams Says:

    The Ku Klux Klan was and is an instrument of the extreme right. Check Wikipedia.

  15. The Heretic Says:

    Wikipedia is wrong. And so are you.