1st January 2013

“There is new anti-church feeling [in Ireland] combined with a lot of suppressed anger going back generations.”

Father Tony Flannery

8 Responses to “1st January 2013”

  1. The Heretic Says:

    I can imagine there is. Just like everywhere else.

  2. archaeopteryx Says:

    It would be great if there was universal indifference to all the churches and they went away to die in corners.

    I live in Ireland and I regret to report that, while there are welcome signs of a move away from this hideous organisation, there is still a lot of pro-roman-catholic-church deference, particularly in the legislature.

  3. Capt'Z Says:

    Being fucked by a priest will do that, ‘Father’.

  4. Capt'Z Says:

    Archaeopteryx – Does the situation at least show signs of a generational split? I’m hoping you’ll report that religiosity is literally dying. Lots of old people in the legislature, I imagine, and clocks only run one way.

  5. archaeopteryx Says:

    Capt’Z: I’m retired and on the wrong end of the generational spectrum myself, so I am a bit out of touch with the younger generation. I hope that things are changing: there is an active facebook group called Atheist Ireland and a sizeable number have signed up to the global Atheist Census (http://www.atheistcensus.com).

    The census has some interesting information — the number of atheists registering from Iran and one from the ‘Holy See’.

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Truth is what stands the test of experience.
    Albert Einstein

    Experience has shown that only 20% of clergy perpetrators are true pedophiles while the majority are classified as ephebophiles since their victims are younger adolescents.

    The Penitentials provide a vivid glimpse into the darker side of Christian life at the time. Several of these refer to sexual crimes committed by clerics against young boys and girls.

    The most authoritative source is the Decree of Gratian. Though mandatory celibacy had been decreed by the 2nd Lateran Council in 1139, this law was received with neither universal acceptance nor obedience. Medieval scholars attest that clerical concubinage was commonplace. Adultery, casual sex with unmarried women and homosexual relationships were rampant.

    The monk Gratian demanded that the punishment for sexual transgressions be more severe for clerics than for lay men. His treatment of same-sex activities was less extensive than that of other celibacy violations, yet his attitude is evident because he cited the ancient Roman law opinion that stuprum pueri, the sexual violation of young boys, be punished by death.

    Although concubinage and even illicit marriages occurred among the monks, the fact that they took vows of chastity precluding marriage and lived a common life theoretically isolated from women meant that their sexual outlets would be considerably restricted. The monks became known for the frequency of homosexual activity especially with young boys.

    Luther and the other major reformers such as Zwingli and Calvin, all rejected mandatory celibacy. The rejection was motivated in great part by what the reformers saw as widespread evidence that clerics of all ranks commonly violated the obligations with women, men and young boys.

    The bishops at Trent were no more successful at curbing celibacy violations than their predecessors. Illicit sex with women, men and young boys continued but for a time were much less obvious.

    Human historical experience of homosexual acts between clerics and members of their own sex, bestiality and sexual acts with children provides us a truth test of experience that speaks for itself about the clergy.

    The church is a false front concealing institutionalized pedophilia. Experience tells us so.

  7. Capt'Z Says:

    Sinjin – Interesting stuff. While I appreciate you boiling it down for us, could you please site the original source? I like to see context.


    For a ‘short history’, Rev. Doyle’s piece is regrettably long. I wonder why that might be?


  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Capt’Z I have already cited a whole plethora of sources for my claims above in the time I have been posting here. I would hope our regulars would agree with that.

    I suppose the time has come to create a compendium complete with bibliography as having to go back and repost sources is time consuming and here I was only attempting to draw a connection between the Einstein quote about “truth” and “experience” and the Father Tony Flannery quote reference to “going back generations”.