12th June 2008

“Since everything that religion has ever said about the natural world has been shown to be false why should we trust what it claims about the spiritual world?”

Chris Newell

7 Responses to “12th June 2008”

  1. Terence Meaden Says:

    Spot on.

    Of course, it’s because all religions are put together by men that it follows they must all be wrong about the ‘spiritual world’ — the world in the spiritual sense as wished for by religionists — and this is because their spiritual worlds have no existence except as fictions inside their own heads.

    Chris Newell’s observation further emphasizes that natural-world explanations as they appear within religions were made up by men too—men who were nothing other than illiterates from the Bronze Age desert world B.C.

  2. eric f Says:

    It is impossible to say that all “religion” has any single message about the natural world. Therefore it is impossible to say that the nonexistent message is “false”. Mr. Newell has a flawed beginning premise therefore everything built on that premise is flawed.

  3. Chris Says:

    There was no mention about a single message, simply that opinions based on books written thousands of years ago by iron age mystics seem to be in error when they claim the universe was created in 6 days and that a flood once covered the planet (where exactly did all that water recede to??) The author makes a fine and defensible point that it these insane and epileptic desert wanderers knew very little about the natural world so why should we credit them with any special knowledge about some hereafter? We know all the books were written by many authors, edited, redacted, assembled by committee over centuries. It’s all just pulled out of their asses.

  4. Hypatia Says:

    eric f:

    Mr. Newell has a flawed beginning premise therefore everything built on that premise is flawed.

    Bullshit.

    Name me one significant thing religion has got right about the natural world. Creation myths? Global floods? The Turin Shroud?

    What a joke.

  5. eric f Says:

    If we only focus on Newell’s quote, his use of the word “religion” is singular. This means that he views all religions as one. That is why it must be viewed as a single message. That is why it is flawed.

    Many of the religious writings refer to healing, disease control, crop production, diet, and birth. These were the bases of many of our current modern understandings. Just because scientist through the centuries have refined our understanding of these issues does not mean the original writers were wrong. Returning to the quote in question, those writers are a long way from being “shown to be false”.

  6. Chris Says:

    He’s viewing all religions as aspects of a single underlying mythology which in my view is correct. He does not say that it’s a single message. He’s saying that myriad things these people believed have since been shown to be dead wrong. Is it possible that there’s a bit of rhetorical excess? Possibly but I’d want concrete examples of where these camel herders knew more than or even as much as we do.

    Why don’t jews eat pork? Their religion told them not to. It had nothing whatsoever to do with health although that lie gets spread around a lot. Somehow all the non-jews managed to get by on pork just fine with no evidence of disease. Was that man possessed by demons? No, he was an epileptic. Did that man talk to god? No, he was schizophrenic. Did all those people die because they were cursed by god (nice guy!)? No. They died because the people that live up stream defecate in the water.

    If miracles have ever happened anywhere at anytime, why hasn’t any amputee ever gotten the missing limb back? Cure your blindness (brain tumor)? Sure! Grow back your leg? Sorry buddy, you’re screwed. Come on. If you believe in all this ancient wisdom, let somebody heal you with prayer and get back to us on the efficacy.

  7. Hypatia Says:

    his use of the word “religion” is singular. This means that he views all religions as one.

    No it doesn’t. Look up the word “religion” in the dictionary.

    These were the bases of many of our current modern understandings.

    That’s a ridiculous statement. It’s just ignorant wishful thinking. Give us one example which shows this.