25th August 2008

“You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?”

Dan Barker

5 Responses to “25th August 2008”

  1. Ed Says:

    You can count on Dan Barker to be succinct. Very well put.

  2. John Sutton Says:

    Oh, but that is the Old Testament. We don’t believe that any more.

    We believe that some bloke was horribly killed by experts and left dead for three days. Then, with fluids oozing from every orifice, stiff with rigor mortise, bruised and discoloured, stinking and probably maggot ridden he starts walking about. We know he was in this state because witnesses testified that he was dead and that is what dead people do in hot climates. Any other condition would have indicated that he was actually still alive.

    The Romans, who record everything down to the last ear of corn, say nothing of this.

  3. Chris Says:

    Yea you spake truly, John. Simply mind boggling that grown and educated adults buy this holy book stuff. Any theist following this I invite you to explore the contemporaneous, or rather, the lack of contemporaneous accounts of the life of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth. As John says, the Romans were writers and they were historians and chroniclers of minute detail. How could it be that, as the bible tells us, when Jesus was risen all the dead too rose and went about the towns and amongst the people. How is it, that the single greatest (and lets face it, scariest – THE DEAD LIVE!!!) miracle that ever happened in the history of mankind somehow went unnoticed by the 50 or so well know historians writing at that time and place?

    Oh! there were two historians that DID write about it, you say? Did you know those works are now judged to be forgeries by the early church? Can you really say you wouldn’t put it past them? Jesus, if he actually lived, was no more than the leader of an unimportant breakaway Jewish cult that barely merited mention. And the people that wrote his story did so two generations removed from events. If you tell me your grand father turned water to wine my first reaction is to recommend medication for you. That’s a reasonable reaction today. Back then, credulous as I’m sure so many were, you could get away with such obvious falsehood but today? Come ON!

  4. Terence Meaden Says:

    Well said, both of you.

    As for the quotation, I have admired it for many years.
    It is a century or so old—created by Mark Twain.

    A quick search on the Internet throws it up time and again,
    e.g. “You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?”–Mark Twain

    Notice that Dan Barker omitted “burning bushes” when copying from Mark Twain

  5. Chris Says:

    Ha! I knew I’d heard this quote before! Imitation is the sincerest flattery.