28th August 2008

“Civilization will not attain to its perfection, until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest!”

Emile Zola1840 – 1902

6 Responses to “28th August 2008”

  1. Terence Meaden Says:

    The point is strongly made, and fully understood by those who recognise the iniquities of religion.

    But I would express it more stongly, so that it applies to all religions and their victims:

    “Civilization will not attain to its perfection, until the last vestige of religion has been removed from the brains of all human beings.”

  2. John Sutton Says:

    I have heard the following depressing argument.

    If, for instance “the last vestige of religion has been removed from the brains of all human beings” then new superstitions would arise spontaneously. We would then go through the same 10,000 year process of genocidal religious practices before we came again upon something like Christianity etc..

    Religionists often revert to the argument that it is right to press their faith onto children because it stops them taking up something like paganism, devil worship or witchcraft. I once knew secondary school teacher who explained that the “lower” groups would never understand science and so needed religion to keep them in line.

  3. Critic Says:

    I once knew secondary school teacher who explained that the “lower” groups would never understand science and so needed religion to keep them in line.

    What a depressingly racist and/or classist statement that silly religionist made.

    However, I can understand the frustration that may have led this person to speak so stupidly. It does seem that some people revel in their ignorance and trying to break them out of it is a daunting task.

    As I think about it, the phrase, “revel in their ignorance” could be accurately substituted for “faith” in the religious since.

  4. Terence Meaden Says:

    John is right with his comment because ultimately the point turns on the actual low level of intelligence that is held by the ‘lower’ groups. Critic puts his point well in signaling that many faith-holders really do ‘revel in their ignorance’, by thinking that it carries some sort of sacred aura in its own right.

    Speaking of ignorance and the ‘not-understanding’ of science and mathematics, this reminds me of the story of how President Eisenhower was alarmed to be told that half of the American people have below average intelligence.

    We could put up with the faith-believers a little more if they would at least shut up, and leave the running of the world to the non-theists who read and react to the world independently of the religious bias and resulting potential or actual fanatical problems that we all suffer right now.

  5. Roland Says:

    on a happier less serious note, I found these funny quotes on friendly atheist site (blog)http://friendlyatheist.com/4222/one-liners/:

    * I’m a polyatheist — there are many gods I don’t believe in. – Dan Fouts

    * If all the Christians who have called other Christians “not really a Christian” were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left. — Anonymous

    * Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people. — David Viaene

    David Cross: “So I was watching this show, oh what’s that show called, you know, the one that has that guy on stage, and people think that he can talk to spirits and dead people…”
    audience: “Crossing Over!” “Crossing Over!”
    David Cross: “No, no, no; it was church.”

    “a lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Jesus. So, all I can say is: ‘suck it, Jesus, this award is my god now!!’ ”~ Kathy Griffin

    “It says he made us all to be just like him. So if we’re dumb, then god is dumb, and maybe even a little ugly on the side.”
    Frank Zappa
    _____________________________
    “All thinking men are atheists.”
    Ernest Hemingway
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    “Do not pass by my epitaph, traveler.
    But having stopped, listen and learn, then go your way.
    There is no boat in Hades, no ferryman Charon,
    No caretaker Aiakos, no dog Cerberus.
    All we who are dead below
    Have become bones and ashes, but nothing else.
    I have spoken to you honestly, go on, traveler,
    Lest even while dead I seem loquacious to you.”
    Found on an old Roman tombstone.

  6. Chris Says:

    Roland – you made my day! Polyatheist! That just killed me! And I may have to get that Epi on my urn.