24th October 2008

“A lot of Catholics use condoms, a lot of Catholics are divorced, and a lot don't have a particular opinion about whether you are homosexual. But when the Pope stands up and says, 'This is what Catholics believe,' he still gets credit for speaking for more than a billion people.”

Glen Slade

10 Responses to “24th October 2008”

  1. Tony Pro Says:

    Brings back bad memories.
    My mother always said “the popes word is the same as the word of God, because as the bible says” -I told you this is going to be painful- “What is bound on earth is bound in heaven and what is loosed on earth is loosed in heaven.”
    Oh yeah, he speaks for Catholics more than some people know.
    He was/is the word of God to many.
    And you all thought there was no proof of “The Lord our (somebody elses) God.”

  2. Tony Pro Says:

    Mother was quoting: Matthew 18:18, took a while to find my bible.

  3. The Atheist Advocate Says:

    Ox,
    I made a mistake, the versus to compare are 2Kings19 and Isaiah37.
    The text, as you will see, is word for word verbatim. HUGE error!!

    Sorry folks, didn’t mean to go off topic. πŸ™‚ But since I have…

    Also, to clarify the vulgarity thing, I spent four years in the US Marine Corps and another 5 working on the railroad. I have no qualms about any use of language. My concern is that the forum is open to all, and 1. there may be some who may not return after reading it, as they MAY be offended and 2. That some parent may stop their child from learning the truth, simply because they don’t want the profanity picked up as a habit.

    All things considered, the cons outweigh the pros, since it is not necessary for communication. If a person doesn’t understand the word “pontificate” as an adjective, then maybe it would behoove them to seek the definition at http://www.answers.com and bolster their vocabulary. I am now reading “The God Delusion” and have yet to find one socially unacceptable word. There are many I do not recognize and must get defined, but it is still a great book.

    πŸ™‚ I am The Atheist Advocate and I approved this message!

  4. Critic Says:

    some parent may stop their child from learning the truth, simply because they don’t want the profanity picked up as a habit

    [snark]
    Yes, by all means, lets keep everything on an 11-yr old level…..
    [/snark]

    As to todays quote, the interesting aspect to me is the claim/insight(?) that many godbots follow the dictates of their religion only as far as they are comfortable. They don’t really have any problem going against the church or against their religion when it suits their current needs. So, they are essentially making up their own personal brand of religion to worship their own personal god as they go. I think there are many more gods than most theologians recognize. True monotheism may be crumbling in the face of these “personal” gods that are being created and modified so easily.

    Too bad more of them don’t just chuck it all. Must be easy to deny one god for another but hard to deny all gods – there being so many…..

  5. Tony Pro Says:

    Good points on vulgarity.
    Must admit I hadn’t thought of our most impressionable market out there, keeping that in mind, I’ll try to use it only as often as I normally would around others children.
    As far as the other point, I don’t think believers have a very big division between “atheists” and any other vulgarities.
    But I wouldn’t want them to think it’s our preferred method of communicating.
    I do like to express the knowledge to others that I know I’m not going to hell based on profanities. Another bit of misinformation handed down by my parents.

  6. Chris Says:

    All – it’s difficult to excise vulgar words in this forum when the topic only brings to mind the 4 letter variety for me but I agree that with rare exception we hurt our cause by stooping to the low level.

    Regarding the quote – Patently absurd that an old nazi in a dress is at the controls of a ham radio to god. I know many catholics, having been raised as one, and it’s tough to find an American one that still subscribes to the papal infallibility tosh. Mass media has simply made it too easy to find examples of obvious reversals in doctrine which could not be possible if the creepy old pedophiles were speaking directly for this mythical god thing.

    Finally, Atheist Advocate – Damn you! Damn you! Damn you! Now i’m going to have that song in my head all day… “I’ve been working on the railroad…”

  7. Tony Pro Says:

    Critic.
    I like where it seems you’re going with this.
    A funny correlation I’ll share is their emphatic disbelief in evolution and their blantant use of evolution within their religion.

    God has us in the center of the soler system/Ok, heliocentric, sorry
    God said the world is flat/Oh, god never said that
    God could only create a rainbow/Oh, thats how a rainbow works
    But God is the only one who could grow plants/Oh, that’s how they grow

    They continually evolve to suit current beliefs.
    That is one of my favorite tipping points for those fence sitters. Learn the history of religion and you won’t believe. Of course I wish it was that easy.
    I’ve little doubt if life was created in a lab, or an alien planet contacted us that theists would somehow interpret many verses in the bible to suit their needs to hang on to the remaining ignorants.
    Which is why I hold more disdain for TRADITIONS than vulgarities.

  8. The Atheist Advocate Says:

    “…all the live long day!” πŸ™‚

    You know, I have read a great deal of the bible, and when it comes to the origins and the aliens that Tony mentions, I am reminded of the book of Ezekiel, where he explains the vehicle god arrived in. There is a man who studied that book and invented the vehicle described in the book.

    (can be read in depth here http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/spaceships_ezekiel.htm).

    Could it be that aliens did land here and start all these writers, who believed they saw god, into many scriptures trying to make sense of the event. Maybe they did have an encounter of the third kind and wanted to make sense of it, rationalize it on paper!

    Just a thought! πŸ˜‰

  9. Chris Says:

    More likely scenario: Shrooms.

  10. Critic Says:

    Atheist Advocate:

    In answer to your question

    Could it be that aliens did land here and start all these writers, who believed they saw god…

    Not very fuckin’ likely. (sorry to the 11-yr olds)

    Unless the aliens were Cptn. Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise, the earth would have been either destroyed or, the current inhabitants would have been eaten – possibly explaining the Permian extinction.

    Lets face it, aliens would not behave in any way that would be recognized by us as friendly or logical – they are, after all, aliens.

    Imagine the surprise of the spider that descends in his web from the ceiling heading toward the floor when your dog abruptly intersects his trajectory and then eats him.

    While I would like to see the visit of friendly aliens, I doubt that humanity would survive such an encounter. Just think of the Native Americans that met Columbus…..