4th November 2008

“You're telling me a carpenter never nailed his wife?”


4 Responses to “4th November 2008”

  1. Roland Says:


  2. chris Says:

    Now that’s a beaut! Maybe a gay carpenter. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  3. Alton Says:

    To take this to the next level, one MUST read the poem entitled “The Carpenter” written by Jim Simmerman and published in his book “Kingdom Come” from Miami University Press. In fact, the entire book is well worth the read by non-believers and skeptics. It is a masterful walk through the bible written by one who knows it extremely well, yet puts it up there with other books of fairy tales.

  4. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Very funny!

    I will place “Kingdom Come” by Jim Simmerman on my “to buy” list . . .

    The idea that Joseph, or “St.” Mark, or even Jesus may have been gay has been around for a while. It is certainly possible. More likely, if Joseph even existed, it was he that got “screwed.” In Eastern Orthodox iconography, he is often pictured apart from the family in a sort of depressed fetal position – after all, in a virgin birth, ain’t nothing for him to do. Joe ain’t doin’ no plumbing!

    My own guess is that Jesus was probably “illigitimate.” That’s what the early rabbis seem to have believed anyway. As for the virgin birth, Luke and Matthew are the only books in the New Testament that mention it, or even seem to “know” of it. Virgin births were a commonplace in the “fairy tales” and myths of the day, and were a standard method of expressing the idea that various “great men” were divine (from the Assyrian king Sargon in Old Testament times to certain of the Roman Emperors in New Testament times). I doubt that the evangelists “believed” in a virgin birth, despite their reliance on a mistranslated passage in the Septuagent (Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, NOT the same as our New Testament). It is to Christianity’s discredit that so many of those trained in the seminaries, with the blessing of the Church, have continued to allow and even encourage a huge majority of the “people in the pew” to believe such nonsense as an article of faith. I have never met a priest or pastor who has not told me – once they got to know me – in private that they didn’t believe in the virgin birth.

    I, of course, believe that it is possible to maintain faith in God and accept the truth of science at the same time! But until religion in general and Christianity in particular admits that scientific fact trumps dogmas such as the virgin birth AS FACT . . . well, arguing against the realities of human biology from a position of fear is an arguement that can’t be won.

    Anyway . . . very funny.