29th December 2008

“A catholic friend was depressed and sort comfort at confession for her suicidal thoughts. She was told she was a sinner. She killed herself weeks later. At her funeral, the priest read out, word for word, the catholic article on the sin of suicide – small comfort for her (inexplicably) devout, but understandably devastated parents.”


10 Responses to “29th December 2008”

  1. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    As horrible as this story is, it happens every day – and, unfortunately, in diverse and sickening circumstances (read: “god will heal me” “god will heal my sick child” “god told me to kill my children” and on and on it goes.)

    When the deity of choice is invisible, unreal and unavailable, the real perpetrator is the collective imaginations of the “believers”

  2. Chris Says:

    And when my wife’s father died when she was 18, one of her close “friend”, a “born-again” told her it was sad because her atheist father was burning in hell. A compassionate lot by all accounts. The upside, my gentle wife gave him such an enormous rasher of shit he actually cried. In America, (sorry John) the Catholic church is far more conservative than their flock. All their pronouncements seem discordant with the progressive arc of history and for that they are ultimately doomed.

  3. Equalizer Says:

    In case you missed my post over the holiday week…

    # John Sutton Says:
    December 26th, 2008 at 15:02

    Who cares – like most of the world, I don’t live there. Perhaps we should be telling them that they are not the only people on the planet.

    # Equalizer Says:
    December 26th, 2008 at 16:49

    Hey John,
    Go Fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on.
    Life is not always about you and the world doesn’t revolve around you.
    If you want British only quotes, then stay off the “WORLD” wide web!

    You Fuckin’ self-centered Ass Hole!!!


    I wanted to be sure John didn’t overlook my reply!

  4. Equalizer Says:

    As for the quote…

    Right now I am struggling with a God dilemma. Any help would be appreciated.

    My neighbor is a theist. He is struggling to make ends meet. He was laid off from his job several months ago. His wife recently had an operation and can’t work. His heat and utility bills, along with his mortgage payments are in arrears. His divorced daughter and female grandchild also reside with him. The daughter works, but only brings home about $7.00 per hour on a seasonal job that will end soon.

    The neighbor next door to him is asking the community to chip in and create a “bail out” package to get him back on his feet so he won’t lose everything.

    I am very tempted to simply say, “Where is your God?” Why doesn’t he save you? Have you prayed? Did it help? What about the church? Why don’t they save you? etc… etc…

    I already know the answers to these questions, so I feel it is my duty as a good neighbor, regardless of faith, to help them out.

    I would surely like to know how the rest of you feel about this. (Except John Sutton, I expect his reply would be “Who cares” since this is happening in the US) 😉

  5. Antitheist Says:

    You go EQ.
    That bit of vulgarity was surely called for and well deserved!
    This is the Atheist quote of the day, not the British quote of the day.
    I love my Atheist friends across the pond, but John Sutton crossed the line and may need his ass kicked by a Yankee, AGAIN!!

    I believe an apology is in order John, we’re waiting…

  6. Holysmokes Says:

    Well Equalizer, as far as I’m concerned it’s a no-brainier. Help them out if you can. Assisting those in need has nothing to do with religion or a god. You help because it’s the right thing to do. Morality requires no god, just kind thoughts backed up with action.

    Regarding this quote; ALL groups of humanity include great people, selfish people and idiots. Pulling individual examples from religion is no more difficult then pointing out an individual atheist who spews hate like candy to children. While this quote has a horrible ending it is also atypical advice from a clergyman. Any attempt to clump this example in with mainstream theism should be avoided. Its important to remember that most clergy genuinely have the best interests of there parishioners at heart. They are not mean, hateful or despicable people who are out to punish everyone. Most are wonderful human beings who are simply misguided. If you want to help them, use kindness. A point sticks better when it’s done respectfully.

  7. Nefari Says:

    Helping out another person in need is much more ‘being right’ than telling someone that you ‘are right’. Ideologies can take a sideline until the crisis is over.
    My $.02.

  8. Hypatia Says:

    Not sure what annoyed John – but you guys ought to realise that much of the world is narked off with the US at the moment.

    From this side of the pond it does sometimes seem like Americans think they’re the only people on the planet. Not that this is true, collectively or individually, of course but the outgoing administration has done nothing to diminish the perception. Let’s hope things will improve with the new one.

  9. Antitheist Says:

    I agree that the US ‘SEEMS’ to be very arrogant to the rest of the world. I just hope everyone in the world understands that we don’t set policy from our armchairs. We are “free” only in the fact that we elect our officials, with limited choices. They are the ones who set policy. The majority of us are working our jobs just trying to survive. To blame every American for the policy of a few… Obama may not have all the answers, nor fix the perception, but the alternative (McCain) would only have prolonged terrorism and war. I can only hope Obama will work “For the People…” as is the function of his job, rather then seek personal gain, as most politicians end up doing. He got my vote because he was outspoken about this being a country of many religions AND the faithless. Much better outlook than the lame duck!

  10. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    EQ: That IS a tough nut to crack. As soon as I started reading I began thinking, “Oh, shit — what to do, what to do” And then, of course, I recalled some of the reasoning that most atheists use when defending atheism i.e. that we do not do good deeds or behave well because of a ‘fear of fire’, and the answer becomes more clear; still, if the ‘bailout package’ is labeled as a Christian effort…

    Well, I guess what I’m really thinking is that it would be nice if you were able to make your contribution at a level where he knew he was being helped by an atheist, then he would have food for his table and food for thought…