1st May 2009

“I think that I speak for many atheists when I say that we are tired of having religion crammed down our throats, with legislation constantly being passed to pander to the religious, with decisions on science education by those who know nothing about science, with having to tiptoe around religious issues so no one is offended and with having to constantly give this assumed respect to beliefs, simply because they are religiously motivated. I have never suggested any sort of physical harm on the religious but I will use my first amendment to the fullest extent. They are protected by the constitution. That is respect enough.”

Ken Ueda

16 Responses to “1st May 2009”

  1. Bob Says:

    A men!!!

  2. Prime Directant Says:

    Eeek, i appreciate his defense against religion, but this comment starts to show some of the things that worry me about millitant athiesm.

  3. Bob Says:

    Prime, you believe in humor don’t ya?

  4. Prime Directant Says:

    This was funny? He could have least used a pun

  5. Henry Says:

    What I would like to know is why have theists the monopoly on “The Divine” isnt it bad enough that we anthropomorphise animals let alone the creation of the universe and everything in it. Why not attempt to look at this wonderful mystery acknowedging without applying our fear driven prejudice.

  6. Prime Directant Says:

    It is filed under patent office, registration no: #647634 Divine(TM) and all related content is property of Christian Incarnated Corp. Other uses of the “Divine(TM)” and “Holy(TM)” without supernatural permission is strictly prohibited, all other rights revered.

  7. The Heretic Says:

    The non-religious have had to put up with persecutions, condemnations, tortures, death by whatever imaginitive means they come up with that day, etc., from the religious for thousands of years. Ken Ueda is correct in saying that the Constitution affords them protections. I will respect their rights, but I don’t have to respect them. That is not militant; it is a choice.

  8. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    I agree whole-heartedly with Ken Ueda’s assesment of the way atheists have often been treated by theists, especially fundamentalist-type theists. I am doing my best in my own social circles and political actions to change this. I think one must begin by showing respect for “the other” and the other’s rights, with the understanding that one may always defend one self from unwarrented attacks of any kind (such as the fundamentalist notion that all atheists are “morally bankrupt,” or the notion of many atheists that all religionists/believers are “delusional”).

  9. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Oh s**t . . .

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ahern-defends-new-blasphemy-law-1724069.html

    Perhaps you all should declare atheism a “religion” (Atheanity?) thereby protecting yourselves against “blasphemous” speech directed against your “religion” . . . at least in Ireland, anyway . . .

  10. Prime Directant Says:

    Why should we organize as a religion Oxymoronic? So we can join in on the “who is more righteous debate” and finger at each others metaphysical mumbo jumbo. The reason fundamental religious fight and attack atheists and agnostics is because your philosophies are radically different from theirs. Look at the way they treat different religions, even though they believe in a diety of some sort. If you organize then you are fighting by sinking to your level and becoming one of the many feuding belief systems in the world, agnostics like me are forced to sigh and look away at as yet

  11. AtheistAdvocate Says:

    “or the notion of many atheists that all religionists/believers are “delusional”).

    All religionists ARE delusional. But, according to the constitution, they have the right to be. I on the other hand, can not hold office in my state, because of a law that prohibits atheists from holding any public office in North Carolina and several other southern states.

    As for the delusional part, it’s very simple, make anything up from imagination, have “faith” and “believe” that it is correct and the truth, and you are deluding yourself. Very simple!!

    FSM (pesto be upon him) proves this through humor.

  12. Chris Says:

    Oxy – I guess it would come down to how “religion” is defined. If it is simply a system of beliefs then my religion is secular humanism.

    When I was a kid and “in” Catholicism, I could not see the religion all around me. Now that I’ve sloughed off that demeaning yoke, my eyes are open to the fact that it is positively everywhere. It IS crammed down our throats. But, to borrow a phrase, they’ve had it too good for too long. Now we’ve got our rights and we do not have to be silent. In fact, if we are silent our rights will simply disappear back to where they were before the enlightenment. We have to fight this notion of religions “deserving” respect.

    They claim this for themselves only and because their system of beliefs is unsupportable without the sort of special pleading society would not tolerate in any other context.

    We must be vocal and visible if only to protect our niche. We might perhaps win some converts too.

  13. Chris Says:

    Sorry – can’t help myself. This little gem popped up on my other quote of the day site…

    “Ask a deeply religious Christian if he’d rather live next to a bearded Muslim that may or may not be plotting a terror attack, or an atheist that may or may not show him how to set up a wireless network in his house. On the scale of prejudice, atheists don’t seem so bad lately.”
    – Scott Adams

  14. Bob Says:

    If Atheism becomes a religion would we get tax fee status here in the states too???

  15. The Heretic Says:

    Tax Free Status? That will probably happen after they allow me to deduct my pugs as dependants on my Income Taxes…..

  16. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    I was suggesting that atheism should become a “religion” with tongue firmly in cheek . . .