6th May 2009

“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”

Thomas Jefferson1743 – 1826

9 Responses to “6th May 2009”

  1. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    Would it not be beautiful if this quote were an integral part of every American History class taught? Wouldn’t it be equally as grand if home schooled urchins had to memorize this?

    With boldness,

    BAT

  2. Chris Says:

    Deist? An agnostic at best (worst).

  3. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    I agree with BAT, and I’m a theist. Chlidren need to know, as do adults, that the author of our Declaration of Independence (and many of its signers as well) was not a Christian. Nor has our nation ever been a Christian nation.

    Jefferson was a believer in God, a deist indeed, but I think that were he alive today, he would almost certainly be an atheist. Even were he to remain a deist, he certainly would not be a religionist.

  4. Prime Directant Says:

    Oxymoronic I completely agree with you except we have oftentimes had the “mask of religion,” just as every other culture and nation has. Except that i think that Deism pretty much is a non religionist, and i don not think he would have become a full fledged atheist.

  5. Prime Directant Says:

    And Chris, what is wrong with Agnosticism, or Deism for that matter?

  6. Chris Says:

    As I’ve said before on this forum, I’ve no issue with someone taking either position so long as one doesn’t think that their belief in God (or at least reserving judgement on the question) doesn’t entitle them to tell anyone who they can love or that they have to do such and such to be considered a moral person. But as an atheist, I obviously have a bias for my particular position. I wasn’t meaning to inpugn those positions, only embrace the nothingness.

    Oxy – well put. I, too, think that were they alive today, not just Jefferson but several of the prominent Founders would have be atheists, and as such, unelectable. To our very great disadvantage.

  7. Prime Directant Says:

    That is not true, there have been several presidents who were of no affiliation Such as Eisenhower, Grant, Tyler, Hayes, and Monroe, to name some.

    The main thing behind it is that when people are afraid they trust what they know, and what they know are strong Christians. My guess is if we can become prosperous and not afraid of everything, people would be much more susceptible to non Christian presidents.

    And Chris we are on the same side for the most part, Agnostics are not “weak” athiests, but we rather embrace nothing rather than “nothingness”

  8. Prime Directant Says:

    forgive spelling errors, I was in a rush to type this

  9. Chris Says:

    PD – “No affiliation” is not the same as being an “avowed” atheist or agnostic. In a way, we’ve back slid from your examples. A presidential, congressional, senatorial, heck, mayoral candidate today that would OPENLY state any position other than an explicitly theistic one is at an enormous disadvantage. We do sometimes win office but not in proportion to our actual numbers. I suspect without evidence that BHO is agnostic but wouldn’t have had a prayer if lots of people thought so.

    Personally, I think this is changing. If there was any service rendered by the discredited ideology of GWB, it was to have caused the fragmentation of the hyper-religious voting block. An enormous amount of disillusionment seems to have set in among the young of that stripe. The fact that “end-times” once again failed to show up helped too. Thank goodness.