3rd June 2009

“People have suffered and become insane for centuries by the thought of eternal punishment after death. Wouldn't it be better to depend on blind matter (…) than by a god who puts out traps for people, invites them to sin, and allows them to sin and commit crimes he could prevent. Only to finally get the barbarian pleasure to punish them in an excessive way, of no use for himself, without them changing their ways and without their example preventing others from committing crimes.”

Baron D'Holbach1723 – 1789

7 Responses to “3rd June 2009”

  1. Please engage brain Says:

    Nice quote. I always think it’s sad when people spend their entire lives dedicated to (afraid of) their ‘god’. What a complete waste of life that we are so fortunate to have.

  2. SV Londhe Says:

    I liked the quote. Generally, prevention is better then punitive action. God should have blessed all with good virtues. But, then there could not have been any fun in this world. We know the imortance of good things only because there bad things in this world. We value daylight because we know the dis-advantages of darkness during nights. This is almighty’s way of doing things. Let him decide what is best for the universe.

  3. holysmokes Says:

    I have to disagree with you SV Londhie. If I understand your comments regarding “good & bad” then I do not believe they exist other than in the minds of people. An earthquake, flood, asteroid strike etc. is neither good or bad. They are just nature. They have no malicious intent, they just, “are.” It’s the same with a bear attacking a person. The bear is likely protecting itself and young, defending territory, or looking for something to eat. It is doubtful the bear views itself as good or bad. We humans take it upon ourselves to assign the “good or bad” tag to events. If indeed we are created, “in God’s image,” then today’s quote is accurate and speaks very negatively of a god. He raises the expression of, “overkill” to a whole new level. Example: If you look back, you will be turned into a pillar of salt.

    Apparently he thinks our lives are not worth squat, just like the way we humans treat other living things. Example, we have no problem killing thousands of tiny creatures like flies or other bugs, yet we go out of our way to save a whale washed up on a beach. Does one deserve to live more than the other? Are they not both living creatures? The only major difference is size. Perhaps we are more like this mythological god than we are willing to admit. Are we are so small to him/it, that he has little regard for our lives? Fortunately we have no evidence to validate his existence, nor any scientific methods in which to try. To “have faith” that he is real, is simply not logical. But then, whoever said humans are logical? :o)

  4. Chris Says:

    This is just about the most immoral thing I can think of. If a HUMAN parent behaved this way toward his child, we’d call him a monster yet because its God we’re supposed to turn a blind eye and deaf ear toward the monstrous things preached on his behalf? Human morality is far superior than anything we’ve ever heard from god.

  5. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Most ideas that we call “God” are actually, as Chris writes, “things preached on his behalf.” Nor am I “afraid of” God, as Please engage brain thinks I and all believers must be. Nor is God to be held responsible for every human rational thought or irrational action as holysmokes says. (What SV Londhe says simply makes no sense: good virtue = no fun? What?)

    That’s fine if you wish to continually and endlessly attack a characiture of religion and God/gods of your own (and the fundamentalist/literalists) making, but at least recognize that not every believer – or even most – believe in such a characiture. Why is it that you insist that there is only one way to believe and then call it false? Do all atheists think and act the same? Should I equate the actions/ideas of any particular atheist with ALL atheists?

  6. Chris Says:

    If God teaches us nothing that we can’t figure out ourselves, there’s no punishment if we are bad people, he does nothing to ameliorate suffering of innocents, he doesn’t intervene in our affairs and his representatives here on earth are obvious frauds, then what is the benefit of continued belief? Wouldn’t our energies be better directed to look inward and improve ourselves for ourselves rather than for hope of an infinite afterlife or fear of infinite damnation?

  7. Chris Says:

    Oxy – Your position seems like deism, which I’ve no problem with though it seems to offer you little in return.What do you get out it? Not being snarky, just genuinely curious.