20th November 2007

“Jesus was born to a pure virgin thanks to the good offices of the Holy Ghost. He lived a good life, preaching and performing miracles, then died, cruelly but necessarily, to redeem the original sin of all mankind. But, many Christians tell me that 'virgin' is a mis-translation of 'girl', in other words, Jesus was not conceived by miraculous means, although he was still 'God' in a spiritual sense, and still died to save us from our sin. I am also told that Genesis is largely regarded as a creation myth, which, while it embodies spiritual truths, isn't literally true. So, why did Jesus have to die to redeem us from a myth?”

F. J. Johnstone

5 Responses to “20th November 2007”

  1. Thunder Says:

    * But, many Christians tell me that ‘virgin’ is a mis-translation of ‘girl’ *

    The word christian is a mistranslation in that quote (maybe by the quoter). Most likely the word scholar should be substituted in that quote. Rememeber……. those who can`t do teach!

  2. Hypatia Says:

    The mis-translation or otherwise of the word “virgin” is moot since the original version of the first gospel (Mark, written around 70 AD) does not mention the virgin birth at all. It was a later addition to the Jesus myth as the early followers developed their personality cult around the Old Testament prophecies.

  3. Thunder Says:

    * The mis-translation or otherwise of the word “virgin” is moot since the original version of the first gospel (Mark, written around 70 AD) does not mention the virgin birth at all. *

    Unless you believe that I am he you shall die in your sins. Jesus words making any opposition to scriptural suggestions that he meet the old testament criterion of the messiah moot. Logical deduction draws a clear line to the proper translation. The old testament says virgin unless you want to contest that translation as well? Good luck.

    Now as for your claim about the book of mark…… It is an atheistic past time to point out the as of yet absent autographs. You are making an argument of convenience.

  4. Hypatia Says:

    “Unless you believe that I am he you shall die in your sins. Jesus words…”

    Pure speculation. Biographers are always putting words into people’s mouths.

  5. Thunder Says:

    * Pure speculation. *

    There is no such logical principle whereby someones gaffau(sp?) equates to a repudiation of documented historical testimony.

    * Biographers are always putting words into people’s mouths. *

    I`m sure the library of congress does more justice to our founding fathers than atheists who like to promote them all as diests as if that really means they hid a latent atheism.