11th December 2009

“Where there is doubt, there is freedom.”

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13 Responses to “11th December 2009”

  1. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Agree whole-heartedly! Conservapedia actually claims “doubt has the illogical effect of discouraging further inquiry.” (http://www.conservapedia.com/Mystery:Why_Do_People_Doubt%3F) Sorry, but my consevative brethren are freakin’ idiots (and yes, I know some of you think I am too)!

  2. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth. – Pierre Abelard

  3. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    “Dubito ergo cogito; cogito ergo sum.” (I doubt, therefore I think; I think therefore I am) – Descartes

  4. John Says:

    Is that not what started the Enlightenment?

  5. chris Says:

    “For men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in their readiness to doubt” – H.L. Mencken

  6. tech Says:

    One last quick perusal tells me nothing has changed on this still lots of rubbish being said. Men , women you need to get a Life. Try JESUS. He’ll give you something worth living for.

  7. Holysmokes Says:

    It is unfortunate that Tech seems to feel that discussing these quotes is a waste of time. I find it to be enjoyable and thought provoking. Of course he only chose to answer a small number of the questions put to him. It is likely that he, like most Christians, find this sort of free thinking scary. I suspect that it is primarily because of the manner in which he believes his god will severely punish people who question him. Still, it is a shame that he is unwilling to open his mind beyond the tiny world in which he has encapsulated himself.

  8. Chris Says:

    I think it’s because all his bandwidth is being taken up trying to think of a moral teaching of Jesus that was actually original. I’ll help him out.

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.” Matt 5:38-40.

    Sounds nice enough but terrible advice in practice. Do not resist evil? So we were wrong to resist, say, Hitler or Islamic Jihad? What an immoral thought! This is similar, but less well structured, than this from Socrates 400 years earlier:

    “One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him.” – Socrates, Crito

    I personally think Socrates is more workable in practice because it gives room for one to fight back if fighting back is not viewed as “wrong”.

    Once again, Jesus can’t even be original, though he (or the people putting words in his mouth) seem to have been well read.

  9. tech Says:

    Hey, I resent all that being said about me. You fellows can,t even quote word for word from the bible. And when you do you don,t under stand it. Thats the reason that I taught it was a waste of time visiting this sight.Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth was the Old testament. If someone smites you on the cheek turn to him the other is the NEW testament, Jesus’s words. He was asking us not to be revengeful. Is there anything else you would like me to comment on. I know the Bible, but sometimes it seems like such a waste of time trying to defend a book that has stood the test of time.

  10. Holysmokes Says:

    Alas Mr. Tech, I have no wish to make you resentful. I merely point out that you seem to pick and choose which questions you decide to respond to, and that you, like most Christians, fail to see the larger picture. You also fail to ask basic questions that should be asked about and of your god.

  11. Holysmokes Says:

    Besides, didn’t you say that you were done with this site, yesterday?

  12. Chris Says:

    I wrote a direct quote from Matt 5:38-40, New International Version, which IS the new testament. In the passage, Jesus is referencing the old testament. It is you, Tech, that don’t seem to know your bible. It reads the same in King James.

  13. Chris Says:

    And, yes, I totally get what Jesus was saying. He was saying that “eye for an eye” is no longer operative. So far so good. But then he tells you that you can’t defend yourself from evil. Rubbish. Also, his disparagement of “eye for an eye” is odd because he also says, just a few sentences before this “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matt 5:18.

    So, the law is the law and not the smallest bit will be changed. Eye for an eye is part of the law but we’re gonna change that bit. Incoherent.