14th December 2009

“The inconvenient truth is that the West should be exporting secularism around the world before it exports democracy. Democracy implies not just one person one vote but no less important that the political process proceeds by rational means, by argument, by persuasion, and is based on knowledge that is as objective, as scientific, as one can make it. The objective knowledge has to come first.”

Peter Watson

16 Responses to “14th December 2009”

  1. PEB Says:

    I can see how the conversation might go with a country like Iran.
    The west: “Your political system is flawed. Look at ours in the west. Our people enjoy trememdous social and political freedoms….oh and by the way god doesn’t exist and the quran is just a book written by a bloke in a cave”

    Thats not a meeting I would want to be in. The west should stick to exporting McDonalds and Starbucks and leave other countries religious and political systems alone.

  2. The Heretic Says:

    How about exporting the idea of ‘separation of church and state’? The intertwining of the two is what causes so many headaches in the middle east.

  3. John Says:

    The World has seen what we in America can do when we let a rich playboy and a ex CIA cold war bully side with their greedy oil and corporate buddies and march in to the wrong county; after lying to the World, just to take out a bit player. After all, do we truly what to kill one of da’bush oil buddies’ kids? It’s business, after all… and besides we’re making lots of money and spreading the gospel. ‘Let the next President deal with it! We got our bible, our god and our guns.

  4. tech Says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR. REMEMBER HE IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON. WHO YOU MIGHT ASK. JESUS CHRIST MY LORD . AMEN.

  5. Chris Says:

    Is that the same Jesus that tells you that if you abandon your wife and children to follow him you’ll get a big reward in heaven? That’s called spousal and child abuse. J-Creezy was C-razzy. Matt 9:29

    Actually, the reason for the season is the pagan celebration of Saturnalia. For several hundred years after Jesus’ death his birthday was not celebrated. The early church planted his supposed birthday on a pagan feast day to uproot a firmly established tradition. The pagan feast of Sol Invictus was December 25th, Saturnalia the 17th but our modern Christmas traditions look more like Saturnalia than Sol Invictus.

    They did this, quite cynically, with Eoster as well. Doesn’t it bother any Xtians that their Easter, which is supposed to commemorate a specific day, moves around according to a lunar calendar?

    So, happy Saturnalia to all my like minded friends here that neither believe in christ nor paganism. At least the pagan aspects give it a bit of fun instead of the dry and morose character usually imparted by the Jesus death-cult.

  6. Steve Says:

    The inconvenient truth is that the West is exporting secularism around the world, just not fast enough to keep up with the indoctrination of religious persuasion. Rational means are the primary method by which humans have prospered. This objective knowledge does come to those who have the means and access to understand it.

    If we desire to export more rational thought we may have to understand that it will have to come with means and access by primary aid like food and shelter. It is hard to be rational when you are surrounded with things that you do not understand. Will this give aid and comfort to those that hate us? Probably, but I can think of no better way to offer an olive branch. Hostile intent is often lessened by a full belly.

    And, unfortunately, we are also pumping our superstitions over many many sources. Ever listen to the crap going out on short-wave? There are religious wing-nuts everywhere.

    Just look at some of the posts above.

  7. tech Says:

    YOU HAVE TO STAND FOR SOMETHING OR YOU,LL FOR ANYTHING.

  8. tech Says:

    FALL FOR ANYTHING.

  9. tech Says:

    YOU HAVE TO BE YOUR OWN MAN NOT A PUPPET ON A STRING.

  10. Chris Says:

    Strings only exist if God does, Tech. Fortunately, neither do.

  11. tech Says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS CHRIS. ITS THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR.GOD BLESS YOU.

  12. Chris Says:

    How about a compromise? Solsticemas? DOG bless you too!

  13. John Says:

    Season’s Greetings to all….

  14. Geoff Mather Says:

    As an ex-Christian – I used to think Christmas was pretty marvellous too. And of course – as a family holiday – it still is lots of fun.

    But I discovered all the lies, particularly in the “gospel” of Matthew. The faked prophecies. Anyone who’s interested might want to take a look at this video “The Virgin Birth”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niOjK0cxGu8

    I know that as a Christian I probably wouldn’t have bothered looking at it – because when someone questions your beliefs it threatens your identity.

    But go on – I dare you! Make Christmas really special – stop believing in stars guiding people to houses, a census where everyone had to return to the city where their ancestor lived 1000 years before… (think of the chaos, the Romans weren’t that stupid!) etc etc.

  15. tech Says:

    Geoff i’m praying for you my brother.May God bless you this CHRISTMAS SEASON.

  16. solomon Says:

    Dear Geoff Mather,
    I agree with you the “gospel” of Matthew contains a lot of lies.It is the result of many manipulations & amendments to the true & original Torah.But I don’t agree that there is no god.There definitely MUST be one.