16th December 2009

“Non-believers like myself stand beside you dumbstruck by the Muslim hordes who chant death to whole nations of the living. But we stand dumbstruck by you as well – by your denial of tangible reality, by the suffering you create in service of your religious myths and by your attachment to an imaginary God.”

Sam Harris

13 Responses to “16th December 2009”

  1. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    From yesterday –

    Holysmokes, you’d be welcome in my new church. It’s the Church of the Holy Doughnut named for the fact that dough is at the heart of all religions.

    Standard tithe is a tax deductible and family friendly .5% of after-tax income and net of food, car payments, alimony, college tuition, beer (or scotch if you’re an artist), clothing and parking tickets. Tithe is, of course, waved if you own any book by Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens or Harris or took at least one college level course that dealt with Paine and Hume.

    And since i’m a Godless, amoral relativist, I stole that name from a radio host currently doing time for child porn.

  2. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Interestingly enough, God is also a “godless, amoral relativist.” (I’d pull out some biblical proof-text to prove it, but, unlike Chris, I don’t believe in proof-texting.) I guess that makes you, CaptainZero1969 (like the name) made in his/her/its image. Congratulations! Welcome to the party!

    By the way – and despite my theism, denial of tangible reality, tendency to create suffering in service to religious myths, and attachment to an imaginary God – I do in fact own books by each of the Four Horseman of the Atheapocalypse. I have not, however, taken any college level courses dealing with Paine or Hume (I’m a high school drop-out and therefore prone to believing impossible things), though I have heard of them. How about a tithe of .25% of after-tax income, etc…, for making the effort? I like doughnuts, and godless amoral relativists.

  3. chris Says:

    Wow – that’s weird. I just noticed that my name reads captzero instead of the usual Chris. Ooops. Anyway it was the church name, not mine that was coined by a pedophile. I DO have standards, after all! Heh heh.

    Since you own the good books, tithe is zero – paid in advance by a critical examination of your faith.

    P.S. Proof texting is fun but unsatisfying because most believers I’ve seen around here are immune to the “bad” parts of the bible they want to pretend don’t exist. Pitty, because in my view the fact that the bible was written by bronze age primitives isn’t necessarity and argument against fatih – just holy books. Faith or hope in an afterlife coupled with a humanist set of morals would be refreshing and I dare say a lot less dangerous than morals based on primitive ancient texts. Almost enough to make one a deist.

  4. tech Says:


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  6. Holysmokes Says:

    Well, I do Tech. Why? Because there is evidence to support it. If your bible, or faith offered any, I’d give it some serious consideration too. I keep asking, but you don’t bother to respond with any.

  7. Chris Says:

    Chris = CaptZero, as you’ll note from the post above.

    Moon landing? Really? OK…

    Yes, a man, or rather men, were put on the moon. One doesn’t have to rely on faith to believe that with certainty. There are pictures, video, moon rocks, moon dirt and a laser reflector (for daily measurement of the moon’s distance from Earth) – evidences that have been examined by thousands of reputable scientists. Plus all of the uncompelling “evidences” that deniers have put forward have been systematically and patiently…demolished.

  8. CaptainZero1969 Says:


  9. Noreflection. Says:

    A noobie to this site,, but not to a disbelief of a One singular entity . My war is not with God ,but with the Church and ignorance because they both lead to death. And those are my 2 greatest fears.Prepare for the next step in evolution for this one is fading fast

  10. Banjoboy Says:

    I was at the spot in the Pacific when they splashed down, returning from the moon. I suppose the navy could have set it all up so even WE, the sailors at the site, were fooled. But there is a certain amount of common sense that adds up to ‘reasonable’. I think it is reasonable to believe we went to the moon. It is NOT reasonable to believe in invisible, magical beings that can read my mind and are worried about what I eat and what I wear and who I sleep with.

  11. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    tech is a moon landing denier? Really?

  12. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Oh, wait – is tech trying to compare “belief” in the moon landing with “belief” in God? Either way – Really?

  13. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Admin – there’s an update to wordpress available and I can’t help but wonder if it’ll address my issue of my avatar changes not showing up on the site. I changed today to a great little man-on-the-moon and for some reason I’m still Jesus riding a dino. Thoughts?