7th January 2010

“If we can tell you what to do in the bedroom, we can certainly tell you what to do in the voting booth.”

Reverend Gus Booth

45 Responses to “7th January 2010”

  1. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    You have to admire the frankness of the statement. This was in the context of the 2008 election is which Mr. Booth forcefully advocated for his congregation to vote against Obama.

    No formal charges were filed but as a result the IRS moved to alter its policies to make it easier to charge churches for political advocacy violations in the future.

  2. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    The statement is at the very least honest! But more changes need to be made to U.S. tax policies in regards to the churches. Tax my church!

  3. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    This one is for Solomon:

    The atheist staring from his attic window is often nearer to God than the believer caught up in his own false image of God. – Martin Buber, Austrian born Jewish Philosopher, d. 1965 (I think)

  4. PEB Says:

    Oxy, I fear you are wasting your time with Solomon. Yesterday I mentioned evolution and he started talking about having sex doggy style. He also managed to compare his god to a car manufacturer.
    The last paragraph of his response was clearly cut and paste from a beginners guide to eco-systems.

  5. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    PEB, you are right of course, but I just couldn’t help it. I came across the quote while researching something else entirely and just couldn’t resist. Seemed . . . providential somehow, a sign from God. 🙂 Hey, its not like Solomon will get this either, so what the hell. Once you’ve been condemned to eternal hellfire several times (isn’t once enough?), the only thing left to do is stick your metaphorical hand in the air and let fly the bird!

  6. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Besides . . . Solomon makes me laugh!

  7. PEB Says:

    Oxy, I think you mean statements like “Therefore the most gracious god create various varieties so that not only you but all other creatures could have a tastes of the fish of their choice.”

    Honestly, you can’t make this stuff up.

  8. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    I kinda like this one from Sol: “We even share DNA with pigs. Its not dominant for a human to have a pig DNA. The reason one shows traces of pig DNA is because they consume a large amount of pig meat. I’am pretty sure muslims DNA have no whatsoever connection with pigs.”

    The one concerning “doggy-style” is even funnier in context: “I won’t share even 1 % of my DNA with the ape, maybe you would.
    If man is the decendents of the ape surely some of mans common behaviours is practiced by the apes. Why don’t you ask Darwin.”Excuse me Mr. Darwin, sorry to interrupt you from your long sleep. Can I ask you a question? Why does’nt the ape fuck their mates front to front like man does? How come the ape have forgotten to do that while we(man) have’nt forget the doggy style that they use to do?”

    Re-read that several times. It’s funny every time!

  9. Tony Provenzano Says:

    This quote is so true.
    It is unfortunate that people believe you don’t need reason to properly function.
    They can be manipulated without ever realizing they could rule in a democracy where each vote counts.
    If only each vote was backed by a majority of the populace formulating well thought out opinions based on reality.

  10. tech Says:

    I can be told, to do anything, that doesn’t mean I’m foolish enough to do it.

  11. PEB Says:

    Tech – you were told there is a man with a beard sat in a cloud who once made 37,000 species of spider and you are foolish enough to believe that.

  12. tech Says:

    Who is the fool that looked up such a useless piece of info.Its not revelevent if he wanted to he could of made 37001and left you out.lol

  13. Holysmokes Says:

    Tech, you stated, ” I can be told, to do anything, that doesn’t mean I’m foolish enough to do it.”

    You were “told” that a man killed 5000 with only the jawbone of an ass and you believe it. You were “told” that a man feed countless people from a single basket of fish and you believe it. Why? Because of an old collection of books that were sandwiched together back in the days of Constantine. You sir, can be “told” to believe many ridiculous things, and with a little encouragement, you will believe it. All without evidence. I’m afraid that your credibility in this area is zero.

  14. tech Says:

    Holysmokes you know nothing about what I believe and what don’t believe.Thats for starters.You claim there is no God you ungrateful creature. you speck of clay If God ( your maker ) forgot about for one second you cease to live.You have the nerve to deny that your maker exits . Shame on you.

  15. Holysmokes Says:

    Tech,

    Where is your evidence?

  16. tech Says:

    where is yours?

  17. tech Says:

    Oh thats right you ask me first lol

  18. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    We’re ungrateful? To whom? There isn’t a speck of evidence to believe we ought to be grateful to anyone except the slow, demonstrable, process of evolution.

    If there was a God concerned with us knowing about her existence, she could prove it to all of us instantly. What towering arrogance believers have that god shows her evidence to them and not to us. You’re “special”. God “talks to you”. It’s so much more likely that it’s all in your head – not your heart. Hearts pump blood. They are not the source of the emotional special pleading I keep reading.

    If it were true, we are how we were made and I’d presume that God knows what she’s doing.

  19. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    “God” is a major claim. Major claims require major evidence. The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person making the claim.

    We don’t claim to be able to disprove the existence of God. We say “so far there has never been evidence that passes intellectual muster.”

    Provide actual verifiable evidence and we’ll become believers. Until them, don’t expect us to be moved by emotionalism.

  20. PEB Says:

    Tech, I deliberately go out of my way to denounce your god on a daily basis. Not just on AQOTD but everywhere where religion negatively impacts on people’s lives. For this your god rewards me with a very decent life!
    Cease to live? I dare your god to kill me right now. I double dare him!
    .
    .
    .
    Either he can’t (which proves he isn’t a god)
    He won’t (which proves he doesn’t care)
    Or he simply doesn’t exist.

  21. Holysmokes Says:

    Hi Tech,

    Where is my evidence? Evidence for what? You claim there is a god, so logically I ask you to supply evidence. Is that going to be a problem for you?

  22. Holysmokes Says:

    Tech

    Oh, and for the record; I don’t claim there is no god. I simply see no reason to think there is one, due to …yes you guessed it, …a complete lack of evidence. That is why I am so eager to see yours.

  23. tech Says:

    You will all get your evidence all in good time my friends. I need to prove nothing to anyone.I searched and I found. SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND KNOCK AND DOOR IT WILL OPEN.

  24. Holysmokes Says:

    Tech,

    I realize that you do not need to prove anything to anyone. I am simply asking to see your evidence.

  25. MagicAintReal Says:

    So this guy Solomon is messing with you guys. So is this guy Tech. I’d like to say that they are being intellectually dishonest however, their grammar and spelling are so bad that “intellectually” becomes a misleading adverb. You cannot tell me Solomon is being truthful when he says our DNA correlation with pigs is somehow influenced by our consumption of them.
    He is a religious hak (sp?).
    On the issue of God or Not, ask a believer if there exists something in which they do not believe and for what reason they have this non belief or doubt. A discussion should ensue and correlations will be made.
    Lastly, I realize the irony in my criticism of grammar when my posting name is grammatically unsound so don’t bother pointing that out please.
    Magic Aint Real!

  26. Greg Says:

    What? There’s someone at the door??

  27. The Heretic Says:

    Magic, I agree. I think what Tech is always saying is when life seems so bleak and dreadful (from one’s own fault or others) that you can find solice and redemption in delusion, because reason and logic might not be as forgiving. Sad really. I suppose they push this collective delusion onto other people so as not to feel foolish themselves. Do you think that somewhere in their so-called minds, they really know they are being silly? Or am I just reaching………

  28. tech Says:

    YOU”RE ALL REACHING.

  29. MagicAintReal Says:

    Heretic, yes. They know that they are being silly and are simply seeing how much reaction their dishonest and obviously silly idea can receive, from otherwise consistently reasonable people, in order to prove that the reasonable can be ridiculous, for responding with seriousness to such obvious dishonesty.

  30. tech Says:

    Listen up everyone.You want proof God exists go to. Go to google type in “Proof of God” Select proof that god exists.

  31. PEB Says:

    You are right tech! – I did that and found:

    http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org

    There is a god and it has indexed billions of webpages.

  32. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    O…K…
    I found a bunch of stuff on “Creation Science”/”Intelligent Design – which have been debunked by real science.

    I found a bunch of logical arguments which all suffer from errors and have been debunked or are only proof of their own consistency. That’s proof of a good argument, not proof of god. You can’t “rhetoric” something into existence. An illustration is to simply substitute the word dragon for god in an argument. The argument is still coherent but you didn’t suddenly make dragons exist.

    How about miracles? There has never been a miracle that stood up to skeptical scrutiny but there have been many claimed (and believed in!) that have ended up being fraud.

  33. Greg Says:

    I think the reasons people believe vary.

    Mostly I believe it’s cultural – I have many cousins that were raised in very Christian households and they are all – to my knowledge – believers. They didn’t choose Christianity. Their parent’s forced it on them.

    This scenario plays out in families all over the world, and the only thing that is different is the flavour of religion – Christianity, Islam, Shinto, etc.

    Others choose the religious path because of what The Heretic wrote: it’s soothing in times of trouble and it’s just plain easier to give up thinking about things and believe in magic. If things don’t work out it’s easy to say “that’s God’s plan”. It’s the easy way out.

    In my opinion it’s much, much more daring to be an atheist in this day and age than it is to subscribe to any religion. Freeing myself from the narrow parameters dictated by the Christian religion was the most satisfying thing I have ever experienced.

    I just hope that some day people such as Tech and Solomon see the limits of their belief systems and find the strength to break free from them. Only then will they ever truly experience the pure wonders that nature can provide.

  34. Greg Says:

    Tech, do you believe the bible is the absolute, literal word of God?

  35. MagicAintReal Says:

    Believers of the Christian faith I have 2 questions for you.

    1.Did Jesus have long hair?

    2. If I were to call Jesus a disgrace or say that he himself is a dishonor, would that anger you in anyway?

    If anyone has not read Corinthians 11-14 in the New Testament of the bible, follow the link below and enjoy the wonderful disgrace that was Jesus of Nazareth.

    http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/11-14.htm

    In the beginning, man created god…poorly.

  36. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Corinthians 11:6 is even funnier!

    “If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.” NIV

  37. MagicAintReal Says:

    Captain, I had never seen that quote…that is awesome! Why don’t evangelicals ever quote that passage?

  38. solomon Says:

    Dear Oxymoronic Christhinker,

    The atheist staring from his attic window is often nearer to God than the believer caught up in his own false image of God. – Martin Buber, Austrian born Jewish Philosopher, d. 1965 (I think)

    Do you know why Martin Buber said this. This Martin Buber is a confused man. He knows that the Atheist does not believe there is god but at the same time his heart just can’t take that there is’nt. Thats why he cited “often nearer to God” which he implies that there is god. In giving a credit to the Atheist he carelessly slip his tounge by mentioning something that the Atheists hates, that is the existence of god.
    But the Atheist is amused by this hypocrite Martins second part of his phrase “believer caught up in his own false image of God” which decredit believers also carelessly forgets about Martins earlier phrase “atheist staring from his attic window is often nearer to God” which decredits themself. Now do you think Martin Bubers statement is something which atheist could be proud of?

    You know something. Fools are followed by fools.

  39. solomon Says:

    Dear tech,
    Suddenly waves of Atheist newcomers joined their allies after realising they needed help. Don’t worry tech I’am coming to your rescue but it will take sometime coz I’am quite busy with work right now.

  40. solomon Says:

    Dear Peb,
    Are you dismissing the fact that behavorial trait have no connection with what you call evolution or are you running away from the naked truth that it surface? And you are pretending that “having sex doggy style” is just some kind of joke or something brought by me that have no significant in debating this issue. The only reason is that you don’t have the solution to deny it.

  41. solomon Says:

    Dear tech,
    The only evidence that the Atheists are always crying for after every attempth fails or rejected is there may come a time when thier noses are fixed upside down. Don’t bother about those silly fools.

  42. solomon Says:

    Dear All,
    I prefer Michael Buble rather than Martin Buber.

  43. MagicAintReal Says:

    Solomon. Give it up. Aside from your butchering of the english language (what does “decredit” mean anyway?), your dishonesty is really annoying. We get it. You’re posting obviously ridiculous ideas to see how seriously people will take you. You find amusement in this. I find amusement in asking a question which real believers CANNOT answer seriously.
    Believers in god as a creator of humans please respond to my questions:

    Knowing about human chromosome 2, isn’t it more accurate to say that apes created man rather than saying that god created man OR did god create apes and then fuse two ape chromosomes to make man?

    If you choose the latter, why did god make apes first and then fuse two ape chromosomes? Why not just make man out of all HUMAN chromosomes?
    Here is what reasonable people like to call evidence:
    Human chromosome 2 is widely accepted to be a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes. Our ancestors being APES! Not god.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2

  44. Greg Says:

    Wow, Sol, you really outdid yourself on deconstructing that Buber.

    Can I ask you a serious question? Did someone shake you really hard when you were a baby?

  45. solomon Says:

    Dear Greg,
    How would I know since I’am a baby at that time.Serious…….