10th January 2010

“There's a sense of melancholy and resignation creeping into the intelligentsia of the religious West; they and their beliefs are in an end game.”

Anon.

33 Responses to “10th January 2010”

  1. Greg Says:

    Sol

    Every time you lose an argument – or can’t come up with something new or original to defend your nonsense – you grandly make a statement that you’ve won the argument and the other person has lost! Tech pulls the same trick. No debate: “I’ve won!”

    Yet, neither of you provide any reasonable logic to any of your posts. You simply repeat proclamations about god, Mohammad and Christ distributed liberally with dire warnings against those who don’t repent.

    By the way, I’ve never pented, so why should I repent?

    Anyway, what arguments you do provide are completely disjointed and unintelligent – even when they’re plagiarized from another source (which, by the way, you have still not provided).

    I’ll ask you again: seriously, did someone shake you really hard when you were a baby? It’s either that or you’re pulling a fast one on everyone here. It’s difficult to believe someone can be as stupid as you and not in an institution.

  2. Holysmokes Says:

    Unfortunately I’m going to have to disagree with this quote. One of the fastest growing areas of music in the USA is gospel music. There can only be one reason for that. Since the world trade center attacks, more Americans have been searching for answers and many of them look to religion. I see no discernable reduction in Christian faith-based percentages. I keep hearing that religion is dying. Perhaps in Europe, but that does not appear to be the case in Western hemisphere.

  3. solomon Says:

    Dear Greg,
    Whatever you cry out youre all done with the argument & nothing can deny that. Its a fact. The argument is already locked and its the end of it and I’ve won. You Atheist will always lose. In life & after death.

  4. Holysmokes Says:

    Hi Solomon,

    I’ve reviewed the posts over the past few days and do not understand what arguement you are talking about. Perhaps you are the only one who knows what you are talking about. It couldn’t be your silly DNA argument because that only served to make you look incredibly ignorant.

    If you are talking about your comments regarding how dangerous you think you are to Atheists, perhaps you need to rethink that. So far, you have been about as harmful as an earthworm.

    If you are referring to, “debunking atheist lies” then kindly explain which one or ones, because I don’t see any.

    If you are talking about some other point, then please elaborate. I’m all ears.

  5. Greg Says:

    Sol. Your father would have served you better had he pulled out.

  6. solomon Says:

    Youre all damn clear that I’am talking about the UNMEASURABLE stuffs.
    I’ve won and everybody knew it I’am done with it . Don’t raise that issue again. It will only humiliate your lots.

  7. John Says:

    The voices in his head…

  8. fester60613 Says:

    @HolySmokes: “I see no discernable reduction in Christian faith-based percentages. I keep hearing that religion is dying.” Perhaps you don’t see it, but several surveys do. The National Post: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1470913 – The Dakota Voice: http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/02/humanist-group-contends-atheism-on-the-rise/ – The Free Republic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2316782/posts and NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111885128

  9. Holysmokes Says:

    Hi Solomon,

    Immeasurable stuffs? The only reason your god is not measurable is because there is no evidence in which to use as a reference. You did not win an argument with that nonsense. Get real. If you want to win a debate, supply some evidence for once. You are constantly humiliating yourself with ridiculous claims. Do you have any idea how absurd you appear when you do that? It makes you look mildly retarded. This is not an attempt to insult you, or retarded people. To use one of your common lines; Are you a person of truth? If so, then you know I speak the truth.

    If you want to earn respect in here, try using common sense when you post. I recommend writing down what you want to say, walk away from it for about an hour. Then come back and reread your comments and see what they sound like. Perhaps that will open your eyes.

  10. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Solomon: BWAAHAHAHAHAetc….

  11. Greg Says:

    Sol

    He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. (William Drummond)

    You fit this quote perfectly. You will not, can not and dare not reason.

    You are, quite simply, an intellectual FAILURE in a human body.

  12. solomon Says:

    I DON’T care a damn what you all want to say. My point is very clear. I’ve won the argument. If you want to raise this issue again I will not hesitate not to respond.

  13. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    As for the quote: Religion – or at least belief – is alive and reasonably well (here in the USA, anyway). There is quite a bit of turmoil going on, and the “religious intelligentsia” is having to rethink their (our) various theologies – especially in light of the undeniable success of science in general and evolutionary theory in particular – but that is an ongoing, uh…evolutionary process 🙂 and always has been (at least in the mainstream Christian churches). They (We) are also having to deal with their (our) homegrown “religious idiotsia” (hi tech! hi Solomon!) in very public ways that they (we) never have before. That’s a good thing. Christianity is also in the midst of coming to terms with the sheer foreign strangeness of its (our) sacred book(s) and what it means to grant authority, moral and otherwise, to such a book; not to mention attempting to get a grip on how it (we) can relate to other religious folk, the non-religious, and especially the no religion/belief crowd like you fine folk here on AQOTD. It ain’t going to be easy, nor should it be, and that is as it should be. Religion has a lot on its plate. The likes of tech and Solomon and their violent comrades on the religious right are among its worst enemies. The questions and criticisms posed by atheism and atheists are welcomed, at least by this theist (and trust me, many others), and offer far more interesting and fruitful lines of inquiry than the hateful idolatries of the extremists. Even the harsh rhetoric of anti-theists is of more value than that of idolatrous fanatics. Religion will rise to the challenge or it will die. Belief will probably always be with us. We’ll see. But for now, IMHO, the end-game is not on the horizon. Not even close.

    The downside? Solomon (and tech less so, but still) thinks that he offers nothing more than an inocent warning. But it is only one small step from “my god wants you in hell” to “I’ll send you to hell for my god.” And in todays world of information and technology for the masses, all it might take is one hate-filled religiously psychopathic fanatic to set the world aflame. I will both pray for that not to happen, and diligently work with like-minded human beings, religious or not, in my neck of the woods to prevent it. Peace. NOW!

  14. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Solomon: YOU LOSE! Loser! Thanks for being willing to “not hesitate not to respond.” BWAAAHAHAHAetc…

  15. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Sol – the “viewers” clearly do not know what the hell you are talking about when you say you’ve won. If there is psychiatric help where you are you should seek it out because everything you say points to serious mental issues. My guess is that your belief system has damaged your ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality. Coupled with your repressed homosexuality, you’re a bit a mess. Tip: Don’t come out of the closet – your Islamic peers will stone you to death.

  16. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Oxy – nice post. I have to admit, I’m really fascinated by your position as a Christian. I’ve read the bible and been a believer and abandoned faith when I couldn’t reconcile the bible as a divine work to the reality of experience as illuminated by the scientific method.

    I have close friends that are similarly situated. I’m dying to do but I’m too polite to ask them – How do you square the circle? You seem a thoughtful person that seeks for truth. The authorship of the bible screams “man made-up”. I don’t deny that there are many worthy philosophical positions in there but there are also many instances of incredible barbarism attributed to God and his chosen people. This cannot be a work of omnibenevolence. So, taking parts to be rubbish, how does one retain belief?

    I’m certain your reasons are good enough for you and I respect you for it because of your obvious contempt for the extremists within your ranks. It seems to me that deism would accomplish the same thing – a moral existence founded on a belief in God – without having to dirty oneself by being tied to Tech and Sol as brother’s in faith.

    My case to you is that a moral life can be led, indeed SHOULD be led, without requiring ‘salvation’, a belief in miracles, or a belief that we were fashioned out of clay. I’m guessing you don’t question evolution so what ‘original sin’ would a Christ have been necessary to wipe away?

    You seem to go “so far but no further” toward, perhaps, simple deism. It’s fascinating and I’ve really like to know how a person of obvious introspection can straddle this line. I’m asking a personal question here so I’ll understand if you’d rather not elaborate on your thinking.

    Cheers! ChrisZero

  17. PEB Says:

    Capt. I have been wanting to ask that question for ages! To me not beleiving in god has nothing to do with evidence or logic but simple common sense. Oxy, you seem like a intelligent, level headed kinda guy and I’ve also wondered how this and your faith are married. You would make a better atheist than some of my agnostic friends!
    As for the quote then it’s right on the money here in the UK. Also, the following was in the news yesterday:

    The Diocese of Quebec is all but dead, its bishop told the Canadian House of Bishops at their autumn meeting in Niagara Falls, the Anglican Journal of Canada reports. The Rt Rev Dennis Drainville said his diocese was “teetering on the verge of extinction,” according to an account given by the church’s official newspaper.
    Of the diocese’s 82 congregations, 50 were childless and 35 congregations had an average age of 75. These ageing congregations often had no more than 10 people in church on Sundays, he said. “The critical mass isn’t there, there’s no money anymore,” he said.

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/anglicanism-and-catholicism-all.html

  18. solomon Says:

    PEB says:”Oxy, you seem like a intelligent, level headed kinda guy and I’ve also wondered how this and your faith are married”
    I see OXY as an in between Atheist & Hypocrite blended harmoniously.
    Funny though, the one accused of having a so called mental issues is a center of attraction, suddenly becomes popular like those celebrities. A mental issue personel should have been ignored or left unnoticed but its different for this one. Want to know what. The Atheist lots unrealisingly can’t stand the urgh to attack this so called mental issue guy with sound senses.
    kah…kah…kah….

  19. PEB Says:

    “ignored or left unnoticed”. Now that’s a plan. Goodbye solomon, it’s been emotional.

  20. solomon Says:

    Bye……but hope we meet again……

  21. LlangunlloRick Says:

    To return just a little to the original quote: It seems a reasonably true statement. There is vitality and growth in the evangelical side of christianity in many parts of the world but that is clearly a foolish non-theology and is not the “intelligentsia of the religious West”.
    The absurdity of apophatic theology is a symptom of the decline of religion amongst the intelligentsia.
    The steady monotonic decline in church attendance is actual evidence in support of the quote.

  22. solomon Says:

    Quotations like these (by Anon) is not new. The likelyhood of the same quotation have been heard thousands of years ago. But thank god the believers are dominant up till today & it is gettin’ stronger each day. Thats gods promise.

  23. John Says:

    For about 16 years or more now, I have traveled and lived long term in a couple 36 foot motor home’s that towed a car behind them making these rigs about 48 feet long. I have noticed that I have been increasingly able to turn those long rigs around in church parking lots on Saturdays and Sundays. Are more folks going to church or are more folks just car-pooling?

  24. Holysmokes Says:

    Cars are just getting smaller. lol

  25. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    Wow! I only visit and comment here from time to time. The stated goal of this site, if I recall, is to inspire or amuse atheists and agnostics. That’s a reasonable goal, I would think. I often wondered where the amusement was going to come from, in the beginning, when there were only atheists (on the days when I visited) commenting. Now, more theists have joined and the conversations have become more lively – which is good – or “could” be good, so long as the participants in the discussions are happy to bring evidence or reason to back up their positions or claims.

    But now, with the appearance of this “solomon” guy, who is both illiterate and unwilling to play by any set of rules other than, “I won and I’m taking my ball home.”, the playing field has certainly changed. How does one reason with another who is unwilling to actually listen to OR use reason? I’ll just throw this out:

    Young solomon, I challenge you to read and think about everything on the following website. If you can return an honest response, supported by reason and evidence IF you disagree, AFTER doing as I request, then do so. Here you go: http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

    Give it your best shot, young theist, but know that you are being untrue to yourself if you fail to study every word on the site.

  26. solomon Says:

    Dear Bornagain A. Theist ,
    I don’t have to read the rest of the comments on the site you gave me to make a simple conclusion. Why won’t God heal amputees? You wan’t to know why? God have once give a beautiful pair of legs to someone. This guy misuse gods gifts by doing all kinds of mischiefs & commiting all sorts of sins. Its better off that God made him limbless for good so that less mischiefs & sins he will commit. Maybe god have already know if god heals this person, he will repeat his old habit. But nevertherless in our mind we must believe god can easily heal amputees if he is willing to as of proof below:

    God rather answer the prayers of LIZARDS when their tails are amputated.

  27. Greg Says:

    Yes, that makes total sense Solomon.

    Especially for amputee babies. They’re fuckin’ WICKED little sinners, aren’t they?

  28. Greg Says:

    Sol, since you hate quotes so much, here’s another for your small brain to try and wrap around:

    You know your God is man made when he hates all the same people you do.

  29. solomon Says:

    Dear Greg,
    I’ve already expected someone will come up with this remarks “for amputee babies” stuffs. Well for amputee babies as I imply maybe god have already know if god heals this baby he will grow up & “misuse gods gifts by doing all kinds of mischiefs & commiting all sorts of sins. Its better off that God made him limbless for good so that less mischiefs & sins he will commit.”

  30. solomon Says:

    Dear Bornagain A. Theist ,

    You seem so quiet…..

  31. Greg Says:

    LOL! That’s a good cop-out answer, Sol. Yes, you can justify anything when you just make shit up, can’t you?

    Once again, you fail.

  32. solomon Says:

    Dear Greg,
    You should ask my god if I made that up.

  33. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    I perhaps seem quiet because I do not spend a great deal of time on just this site. It certainly has nothing to do with not wishing to face your bodacious rebuttal. I am stunned, frankly. I never expected an answer which would actually support and confirm the often held belief by atheists that IF the god of the bible were real, that he is a malicious, hateful, spiteful demon worthy only of the contempt of all of his creation.

    The very idea that a creator would create beings that he knew were going to be so evil that he dismembered them at the very beginning of their life…. well, this is just so amazing that it defies explanation.

    In one simple explanation, you have proven that original sin must indeed begin in the womb and, perhaps more strikingly, that mankind has NO free will. That is amazing.

    Sir, I never expected this conversation to fall to the depths of name calling and therefore, I will certainly not be one to do so; however, I expect that someone reading this site believes you to be a blithering idiot for suggesting that a Lizard prays to have his limbs restored.