16th January 2010

“It is individuals who have human rights, not religions or beliefs. To give the latter legal protection would severely curb the individual's right to freedom of expression – as already happens in some Muslim countries, where people of other faiths need to tread very carefully.”

Ian Harris

19 Responses to “16th January 2010”

  1. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    FYI: The internet film ‘Zeitgeist’ linked to by Bornagain A. Theist yesterday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjGkRFFBd0A) was made by one Peter Joseph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Joseph). A good critique of this film from a skeptical perspective – ‘The Greatest Story Ever Garbled’ by Tim Callahan – can be found at Skeptic Magazine’s site from 2/25/09 (http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25).

    As for the quote, I agree.

  2. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    And for good reason:

    “Triple bombing kills at least 25 in Iraq”

    Can you feel the peace radiating off Islam like a nice log fire?

  3. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Unfortunately, a two-fer:

    “Suicide bombing kills 20 in Afghanistan market”

    I know this headline is similar to one a couple days ago, but sadly a separate incident of peaceliness from the peaceful and compassionate and loving forces of Islamicide. Maybe in Islamic countries “peace” has a rather different meaning. Odious. Grotesque.

  4. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    A question for tech and Solomon: Is Jesus the son of Allah?

  5. solomon Says:

    Dear Oxymoronic Christhinker,

    You can find the answer in various Islamic sites.Kah…kah…kah….

  6. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Name one.

  7. solomon Says:

    Dear Oxymoronic Christhinker,

    For your pleasure any site will do.

  8. Admin Says:

    Dear all,

    Can we stop using the “F” word today and avoid abusing contributors?

    Thank you.

  9. Hypatia Says:

    Can you feel the peace radiating off Islam like a nice log fire?

    Yep. Must be the reason for that warm glow I feel all over when some imam starts pontificating about how Islam respects women.

  10. Hypatia Says:

    Yep. Must be the reason for that warm glow I feel all over when some imam starts pontificating about how Islam respects women.

    In the interests of balance I must state that I feel the same way when the pope does it too. Bless him.

  11. tech Says:

    Our countries fought many wars for freedom,still there are people in this world who do not have this privilege. However we can all have freedom in the Lord Jesus Christ.

  12. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    There are moves afoot in several places of which I’m only periferally aware that are designed to carve out special niches for religion that would criminalize criticism. This is being driven by Fragile Islam, which is, by design, both non-introspective and rabidly intolerant of criticism. I’m guessing it is this effort that Harris is addressing. Can anyone expand on this?

  13. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Admin – I agree about the language. By abusing contributors, I hope you don’t mean criticizing thier religion. If so, I’ve sinned again.

  14. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Surely they lie when they declare: “Allah has begotten children”.
    — Sura 37:151

  15. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Admin: How about moderating my comment and info concerning ‘Zeitgeist’ posted at 2:13? Someone asked for info on this on Jan. 16, so I have tried to provide it.

    And I once again ask: Is Jesus the son of Allah? Neither Solomon nor tech can answer this with any integrity because either of their answers – according to each of their respective beliefs – require the other to spend an eternity in suffering and torment.

  16. Tony Provenzano Says:

    As a collector of knowledge, I love this quote!

    “It is individuals who have human rights, not religions or beliefs.”

    It provides focus of our minds and lives where it should be, on the individual.

    When you look at religions and beliefs as having the rights (as they do in so many cultures), you soon understand where prejudice and bigotry towards individuals or groups originate.

    Another great quote that I will use to help in my quest to abolish ignorance.

  17. PEB Says:

    Nicely said Tony. Christians living in predominately Muslim countries tread very carefully indeed. Tech, I’d avoid Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if you ever contemplate moving overseas. You might find yourself in jail over “blasphemy” charges (or worse).
    Something to think about next time your church complains about it’s religious “rights”.

  18. Holysmokes Says:

    A nicely articulated and accurate quote. When a specific religion becomes a majority, or at least large enough to flex it’s political muscle, how do we successfully prevent laws regarding religious favoritism from passing legislation? After-all, the majority rules.

    BAT, thanks for the link yesterday. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to watch it soon.

    Ok, back to vacation. Sorry, couldn’t resist poking my brain-bucket in here. Just don’t tell the little woman!

  19. solomon Says:

    Dear Oxymoronic Christhinker,

    ‘And I once again ask: Is Jesus the son of Allah? Neither Solomon nor tech can answer this with any integrity because either of their answers – according to each of their respective beliefs – require the other to spend an eternity in suffering and torment.’

    The answer is already there on my post sometime in December 2009 but you purposely request to create a confrontation between me & tech. So you think you have succeded but youre wrong. Were still brothers on the principle that we belief there is god & we don’t say bad things of god like your lots always did.