19th January 2010

“The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.”

Denis Diderot1713 – 1784

28 Responses to “19th January 2010”

  1. solomon Says:

    The philosopher killed more priest by his tounge.

  2. tony cynic Says:

    Keep those laughs coming (r)Sol.

  3. John Says:

    What type of comment would one expect as I am now convinced that old solomon has to be a cleric, priest or a preacher? Why else would he profess all the hell and hate? And, not to mention; all the killings…

  4. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    I’d like to see an example of a philosopher that managed to somehow kill a priest with his tongue. Sounds pretty unlikely but maybe not un-amusing. Perhaps a new Olympic sport?

    More likely, just more emotional hyperbole.

    There’s a person on this site who is the namesake of one such victim of priestly viciousness: Hypatia of Alexandria. Would that Alexandria’s great library had not have been sacked, or this genius murdered.

    Such is the fruit of religion: murder, retardation, ignorance, fear and persecution.

  5. Tony Provenzano Says:

    Who among you has found perfection?

    Sol? Tech?

  6. solomon Says:

    Dear John,

    I’ve clarified before I’am no old cleric or whatsoever. I’am an ordinary man who enjoys life,music, love, food etc but I fear,love God & sponsor truth.

  7. Greg Says:

    Hey (r)Sol (thanks for the new sig for our friend, Tony – too funny!)

    Glad you admit that clerics are not philosophers.

  8. tony cynic Says:

    Hey, it’s a gift of the god(s).
    Some people seem to put themselves here for our amusement.

  9. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    “Taliban storm Kabul with wave of suicide bombings”

    I’m nominating the Taliban for a Nobel Prize for Peace.

  10. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Um…

    “Iran: Vow of Revenge for a Killing”
    Iran vowed Monday to take revenge on Israel and the United States for the killing of a physics professor in a bomb attack last week, the official IRNA news agency reported. Iranian officials have blamed an exiled opposition group known as the People’s Mujahedeen, accusing it of acting on behalf of Israel and the United States, for the killing of the physicist, Masoud Ali Mohammadi, above. The opposition group and Washington have denied involvement.

    So… Iran vows revenge on the U.S. for a killing committed by their OWN government? What a twisted bunch of retards.

  11. solomon Says:

    Theres a conspiracy behind it schemed by the Hypocrates(Athe..)

  12. solomon Says:

    Dear viewers,

    The Glorious Qur’an says:

    “…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”
    [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

    Surely none of the above killings are the works of a truly devout muslims.

  13. Atheist MC Says:

    Surely none of the above killings are the works of a truly devout muslims.

    Only the Scots ones apparently.

  14. PEB Says:

    Since the theist arguments on here are so woeful I thought I’d give it a go. I’ll be the theist of the day.
    ——————-
    So the quote is essentially saying “Atheists aren’t murdering war mongers”. Well I would argue that secular countries like the old Soviet Union and China have an appauling violent history and human rights record. North Korea is still threatening nuclear war to this day and everyone knows atheism and communism go hand in hand don’t they?
    Also, when there is war and violence; where are the atheist charities!? You don’t see Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins handing out tents to the homeless do you!
    Atheists have no moral code so they think they are free to do whatever they want without consequence.
    Hitler was an atheist!
    ——————-

  15. The Heretic Says:

    Actually the quote is stating that philosophers aren’t war mongers. Are you saying that all atheists are philosophers? Further you are stating that atheists have no moral code? Why? Does faith give a moral code to you? Does a badly written book of parables and musings give you one? I reject that idea. I have a stronger moral code that most devout thiest hypocrits that I know. They think that they can do dreadful things and then just ask their god for forgiveness. It is like a free pass on morality.

  16. The Heretic Says:

    Further, I have read some of Hitchens’ writings on Hitler and other totalitarianist bastards of the like. They ran their murderous empires like a church – and became their god. So, they were atheists to a point. They just didn’t believe in your god. They thought themselves one.

  17. MagicAintReal Says:

    Back to the quote…Merely thinking, or using philosophy, is inherently non-violent. Acting on thoughts is a different story. Philosophers on the whole are quite unproductive. Not all philosophers are unproductive of course, but throughout history, philosphers were merely thinkers and that is all. Priests are a form of philospher however, they threaten those who do not agree with them to hell for their incongruous thoughts. Priests have condemned people for thinking and it is with this divine authority that they empart war on those who think otherwise.
    When religion was the main authority (government) were their thought crimes? Think about that…now you’re in jail or dead.

  18. MagicAintReal Says:

    Correction: When religion was the main authority (government) WHAT were their thought crimes?

  19. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    1. Hitler was Catholic and said we was doing the work of the church.
    2. Stain and Mao didn’t commit their atrocities in the name of atheism but rather in the name of a political ideology. Stalin actually found the Russian Orthodox Church very handy. Their early explicit objection to religious institutions was because they saw the churches as a rival power base. Totalitarians brook no rivals.
    3. As pointed out here, Dawkins is actively collecting money for Haiti.
    4. Atheists morals generally reduce to social contract, which is a fine, defensible and explainable (in the context of social evolution) system of thought that does not rely on hope for heaven and fear of hell. The Hope/Fear mindset taints the motives of those so trained.

    That was fun, PEB! You left money on the table though. You failed to mention the bacterial flagellum or Pascal. Say it! “I ain’t related to no monkey.” 🙂

  20. Hypatia Says:

    solomon:

    The Glorious Qur’an says:

    “…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”
    [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

    But the Qur’an also says:

    “slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace”
    [Al-Qur’an 5:34]

    It’s a confused book isn’t it!

  21. Hypatia Says:

    The inglorious Qur’an also says:

    “Strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; and after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”
    [Qur’an 47:4]

    “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”
    [Qur’an 8:12]

  22. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Kind of puts the beheadings in Islamic countries in context, doesn’t it. Brutal, in a peaceful kind of way.

  23. brighter future Says:

    Maybe by “killed”, Solomon means ended some priests’ “priestly” lives-as priests-not as living human beings. If that is his meaning-I’m happy to say he is most certainly correct. Dan Barker is a great example of what happens when a thinking person examines their religious beliefs closely. Supernatural beliefs cannot stand in the modern world forever.

  24. John Says:

    The thunder storm is over and we have exited the caves for ever. The bogyman that was the thunder, lightning, wind and rain are now understood as a normal cycle of this wonderful planet we call, Earth.

  25. solomon Says:

    Dear Hypatia,

    The events you cited from the Qoran are the events when both sides are at war. What do you expect? To hand your enemy some jiffy pops.

    You are just trying to twist gods words.

  26. solomon Says:

    Dear brighter future,

    What I ment by killed is that some philosophers (not all) have already killed (does not suppose to mean sticking a knife on the priest chest) but spreading lies regarding priests to put an end to their careers.

    Dan Barker is actually a great example of a confused man cum hypocrate.

    Modern or primitive world are just similar. The people of olden times still eat what you ate now, still showered by the same sun, drink from the sky, doing the same daily chores that you did. If you think what you termed as modern have its wonders like computers etc. etc. the olden times too has their wonders like the pyramids,knowledge of chemistry on mummified corpse that you could recognise their faces up till today whereby todays corpse have long time ago gone rotten. Time or ages are just relative. Supernatural beliefs will be dominant at all times.

  27. Hypatia Says:

    solomon: “when both sides are at war”

    You mean when Islam in an expansionist phase?

  28. MagicAintReal Says:

    Solomon, we can preserve bodies way better now with freezers. You really will say anything. Also as I have pointed out before, when you claim that your holy book is entirely correct, context should not matter. The word of an omnipotent being, EVERY word, should be correct. When you start back-pedaling by saying “The events you cited from the Qoran are the events when both sides are at war” you make it sound like you have no faith in the universal truth of your holy book. Why can’t it apply to all situations in life? Why isn’t it universal? You’re reason will be “God doesn’t need to explain himself…he’s always right bla bla bla” When in reality the answer to why the holy book is not universally applicalble is that it was written by morons.