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		<title>By: Zazajana</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12139</link>
		<dc:creator>Zazajana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Somebody asked me if middle ages were the time of enlightenment...

Let me see...

The term &quot;dark ages&quot; is reffering to the period of the early post Roman Empire times - from V to around X century. It&#039;s called like that not because people then were &quot;dark&quot; and stupid but since it was the time of emerging post Roman civilization, the time of chaos without stable kingdoms, etc. we have no documents no solid historical data. 

But if somebody designates with term dark ages to the whole middle ages (so to the XIV century) thet he has to devaluate the brilliant scientific and cultural progress we witnessed then. The logic as a science developed by catholic monks, the Literature with Dante Algiehri, the gothic architecture...

Of course the complete lack of criticism for those times would be stupid. The feudal system was not acceptable but... it was not so demonic as many describe. Untill the gentry gained privileges the regulary people was quite free and for instance violeting the property right which is so common now then was not so devastating. We have often in movies the scences of people rabbed or forced to contrubute to the King or some local baron. Now people are rabbed of even bigger amount of their work and salaries (tax income) and just because it is being done differently (we don&#039;t see the baron taking our money, it&#039;s all done automatically, without even giving us a chance to defend).

And let me also examine the claim that the time when everybody believes in God is worse than for example XX century whis was obivously diifferent in that respect. Wars... do you know than wherever in the middle ages was war there was unwritten low that civilians cannot be harmed. The wars were between armies. With time passing and the French Revolution, they became wars between nations. Civilians were dying like ants, the apogeum of that process - Hitler and Stalin: World War II.

Do this have anything to do with believing or disbelieving in God? Of course. Believing in god means being the servant of rules and laws that cannot be fully understood in a rational way. Spontaneusly emerged rules. Like this unwritten law of not killing the civilians, like, say rules of honor, honesty, hard work. What&#039;s wrong in ora et labora? European Union is the example of the place where people stopped &quot;labora&quot; so they stopped producing, they&#039;re in the recession. Strange - it happened along with them stopping &quot;ora&quot; (praying). 

Do you think now people don&#039;t have religious fatih like middle ages when they were uneducated and ruled by Church? Ha! That&#039;s funny I see people with very strong and different &quot;religion-like&quot; faiths. 

Take the Global Warming case. Many people would defend the concept even if they don&#039;t have the minimal knowledge about that. Search for them not only in Greenpace but everywhere around you. (Remember we&#039;re not discussing the GW but the people&#039;s attitude towards that) They institutionalized their faith with the governmental help. It is a religion.

We still have people believing that believe earth is flat even if they&#039;re not influenced by Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Somebody asked me if middle ages were the time of enlightenment&#8230;</p>
<p>Let me see&#8230;</p>
<p>The term &#8220;dark ages&#8221; is reffering to the period of the early post Roman Empire times &#8211; from V to around X century. It&#8217;s called like that not because people then were &#8220;dark&#8221; and stupid but since it was the time of emerging post Roman civilization, the time of chaos without stable kingdoms, etc. we have no documents no solid historical data. </p>
<p>But if somebody designates with term dark ages to the whole middle ages (so to the XIV century) thet he has to devaluate the brilliant scientific and cultural progress we witnessed then. The logic as a science developed by catholic monks, the Literature with Dante Algiehri, the gothic architecture&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course the complete lack of criticism for those times would be stupid. The feudal system was not acceptable but&#8230; it was not so demonic as many describe. Untill the gentry gained privileges the regulary people was quite free and for instance violeting the property right which is so common now then was not so devastating. We have often in movies the scences of people rabbed or forced to contrubute to the King or some local baron. Now people are rabbed of even bigger amount of their work and salaries (tax income) and just because it is being done differently (we don&#8217;t see the baron taking our money, it&#8217;s all done automatically, without even giving us a chance to defend).</p>
<p>And let me also examine the claim that the time when everybody believes in God is worse than for example XX century whis was obivously diifferent in that respect. Wars&#8230; do you know than wherever in the middle ages was war there was unwritten low that civilians cannot be harmed. The wars were between armies. With time passing and the French Revolution, they became wars between nations. Civilians were dying like ants, the apogeum of that process &#8211; Hitler and Stalin: World War II.</p>
<p>Do this have anything to do with believing or disbelieving in God? Of course. Believing in god means being the servant of rules and laws that cannot be fully understood in a rational way. Spontaneusly emerged rules. Like this unwritten law of not killing the civilians, like, say rules of honor, honesty, hard work. What&#8217;s wrong in ora et labora? European Union is the example of the place where people stopped &#8220;labora&#8221; so they stopped producing, they&#8217;re in the recession. Strange &#8211; it happened along with them stopping &#8220;ora&#8221; (praying). </p>
<p>Do you think now people don&#8217;t have religious fatih like middle ages when they were uneducated and ruled by Church? Ha! That&#8217;s funny I see people with very strong and different &#8220;religion-like&#8221; faiths. </p>
<p>Take the Global Warming case. Many people would defend the concept even if they don&#8217;t have the minimal knowledge about that. Search for them not only in Greenpace but everywhere around you. (Remember we&#8217;re not discussing the GW but the people&#8217;s attitude towards that) They institutionalized their faith with the governmental help. It is a religion.</p>
<p>We still have people believing that believe earth is flat even if they&#8217;re not influenced by Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed The Prophet</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12132</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammed The Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solomon

I command all Muslims to side with Greg on this point. In fact, it is a Fatwa. 

You have been a bit of an ass lately and this is my command to you. 

Yours,

Mohammed. I am great. Praise be unto me, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon</p>
<p>I command all Muslims to side with Greg on this point. In fact, it is a Fatwa. </p>
<p>You have been a bit of an ass lately and this is my command to you. </p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Mohammed. I am great. Praise be unto me, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12112</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the viewers decide who is true and sincere and who is not. Are my comments have the basis of argument or not. I&#039;am not at all worry about what you&#039;re accusing of me. Thats youre choice. But one thing that I can sniff, this are just old tactics to shut me up from delivering truth in a way that most of you can&#039;t argue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the viewers decide who is true and sincere and who is not. Are my comments have the basis of argument or not. I&#8217;am not at all worry about what you&#8217;re accusing of me. Thats youre choice. But one thing that I can sniff, this are just old tactics to shut me up from delivering truth in a way that most of you can&#8217;t argue.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12111</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solomon, this will be the final time I address you or respond to you directly in a post.

It is abundantly clear to me that you are not here to engage in any meaningful conversation with others who may/may not share your views on religion. Or any subject, for that matter.

Many on this site have attempted to have reasoned debate with you or have posed serious questions and each time - without fail - you simply ignore the questions, resort to SHOUTING a response (usually a quote from the Qu&#039;ran or a blanket statement about atheists going to hell, etc) or respond with statements that are nonsensical and often mean-spirited.

I will suggest, one final time, that you do not add anything to the discussion here. You are a distraction, an amusement that I have grown weary of.  

You have been disrespectful to most everyone here and have displayed a level of ignorance about every topic of discussion that can only be described as &#039;astounding&#039;.

I choose to no longer acknowledge your questions or be baited into responding to your blatantly inflammatory posts until you choose to act like an adult and have reasonable, respectful conversation.

I know that you will take this as a sign of victory and you will openly rejoice and ridicule me.  This is no victory for you.  If you want to claim that you have silenced me with your &quot;wisdom&quot; please do.  If you want to claim that I have no response to your questions, please do.  You may deceive yourself into thinking this, but everyone else will know that they are false claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon, this will be the final time I address you or respond to you directly in a post.</p>
<p>It is abundantly clear to me that you are not here to engage in any meaningful conversation with others who may/may not share your views on religion. Or any subject, for that matter.</p>
<p>Many on this site have attempted to have reasoned debate with you or have posed serious questions and each time &#8211; without fail &#8211; you simply ignore the questions, resort to SHOUTING a response (usually a quote from the Qu&#8217;ran or a blanket statement about atheists going to hell, etc) or respond with statements that are nonsensical and often mean-spirited.</p>
<p>I will suggest, one final time, that you do not add anything to the discussion here. You are a distraction, an amusement that I have grown weary of.  </p>
<p>You have been disrespectful to most everyone here and have displayed a level of ignorance about every topic of discussion that can only be described as &#8216;astounding&#8217;.</p>
<p>I choose to no longer acknowledge your questions or be baited into responding to your blatantly inflammatory posts until you choose to act like an adult and have reasonable, respectful conversation.</p>
<p>I know that you will take this as a sign of victory and you will openly rejoice and ridicule me.  This is no victory for you.  If you want to claim that you have silenced me with your &#8220;wisdom&#8221; please do.  If you want to claim that I have no response to your questions, please do.  You may deceive yourself into thinking this, but everyone else will know that they are false claims.</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12105</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo... Zazajana  Bravo......
A nice name.
Welcome to the site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo&#8230; Zazajana  Bravo&#8230;&#8230;<br />
A nice name.<br />
Welcome to the site</p>
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		<title>By: solomon</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12104</link>
		<dc:creator>solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Greg,

&quot;I believe the non-believers on this blog are confident of their arguments and reasoning.&quot; ???

Then try to reason this out;

THE CREATED BRAIN THINKS HE&#039;S NOT CREATED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Greg,</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe the non-believers on this blog are confident of their arguments and reasoning.&#8221; ???</p>
<p>Then try to reason this out;</p>
<p>THE CREATED BRAIN THINKS HE&#8217;S NOT CREATED</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12103</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zazajana, do you mean to imply that the middle ages were an enlightened time? How would you describe it?

What time-frame to do give for this period, commonly referred to as the &quot;dark ages&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zazajana, do you mean to imply that the middle ages were an enlightened time? How would you describe it?</p>
<p>What time-frame to do give for this period, commonly referred to as the &#8220;dark ages&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zazajana</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12102</link>
		<dc:creator>Zazajana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quotation is based on the ignorance - a long ago refuted the myth that middle ages were &quot;dark&quot;. If one does not know history at all one can say that. 

Actually the quote is nor blasphemous or heretic. It&#039;s just stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quotation is based on the ignorance &#8211; a long ago refuted the myth that middle ages were &#8220;dark&#8221;. If one does not know history at all one can say that. </p>
<p>Actually the quote is nor blasphemous or heretic. It&#8217;s just stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12101</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries tech. No hard feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries tech. No hard feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: tech</title>
		<link>http://atheistweb.org/qotd/912/comment-page-1#comment-12100</link>
		<dc:creator>tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Greg, Thanks for clearing that up. I try to be as reasonable as possible along with being respectful. Anyway thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Greg, Thanks for clearing that up. I try to be as reasonable as possible along with being respectful. Anyway thanks again.</p>
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