8th March 2010
“Secularists have no objection to Roman Catholic homosexuals living celibate lives, their natural instincts held in abeyance by prayer and fasting according to the Church's teaching. But they object strongly to laws being passed by their parliaments which force secular gay men and women to live by those teachings.”
Emer O'Kelly
March 8th, 2010 at 3:18
As it should be. If memebersof the clergy want to torture themselves for life, then that is up to them. But when governments try to force it on people, a line should be drawn.
March 8th, 2010 at 5:30
Malcolm O’lay was rabidly gay
but also he was Catholic,
As such, he couldn’t sleep with men
And his church considered him sick.
But strong were poor O’lay’s desires
that he lusted after boys,
and finally found peace, as a Catholic priest,
and its associated joys.
March 8th, 2010 at 10:21
Of course secularists object to any laws that that force them to live in accordance with religious doctorine. Personally I also object to caveats in legislation that allow religious organisations to flout antidiscrimination laws secular organisations must follow, e.g allowing the catholic church to discriminate against employing homosexuals or catholic adoption agencies discriminating against same sex couples.
March 8th, 2010 at 13:40
I’m with you AMC. Can you imagine a “Whites only” adoption agency or a company that refuses to hire Muslims? Of course not.
It’s shameful they get away with it.
March 8th, 2010 at 15:09
BOULDER, Colo. — A preschooler is caught in the middle of a fight between religion and sexuality. Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School, in Boulder, has refused to readmit a preschooler because the child has two moms. Her parents are lesbians.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22769137/detail.html?hpt=T2
Isn’t the love of jesus wonderful?
March 8th, 2010 at 15:45
Sounds like the kid may have a lucky escape. Maybe there’s a good school nearby she can go to.
March 8th, 2010 at 15:53
I am not sure that this can be addressed any better than Holysmokes did it, right at the top post.
Of course Secularists have no objection to someone’s personal life. If you choose to change your personal activities because of superstition or belief, it is of no account so long as you leave the rest of us alone.
That ‘Golden Rule’ keeps coming up.
Which is where the laws come in. Whenever and wherever the religious try to extend their influence by way of law, I find it more than offensive. It is bad enough that they believe in unsupportable dogma, but to extend it to others ought to be made a crime.
Now there is a thought. Make it against the law to spew superstition into law. Hmmm. Maybe a good 28th Amendment in the states!
March 8th, 2010 at 16:08
In the following U.S. states you may not hold political office if you are not a theist of some variety.
Texas
Tennessee
South Carolina
North Carolina
Arkansas
Maryland
Pennslyvania
So, you can be any number of evil things but as long as you believe in invisible men, you’re OK to serve. This comes directly, in my view, from the lie promulgated assiduously by very many theists that you cannot be moral if you don’t believe in an invisible celestial dictator for which there is no physical evidence except the testimony of credulous and self-interested desert dwelling primitives.
March 8th, 2010 at 16:10
http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_14526153
Witness the “dooming” of christians. Free thinkers we may not have to do anything as the christians may be handicapping themselves into low skilled workers or maybe even creating a generation of new inquisitors. I my line of work I meet a lot of ex-home schooled staff and most if not all lack many social skills and even basic common sense.
Sorry this is not in line with the quote today (sort of). It was too good not to relay.
March 8th, 2010 at 19:21
John, you may be right about christians handicapping themselves, but
I think the world should worry less about christian influence and be more concerned with muslim growth. Islam is the fastest growing religion and has already overtaken christianity in Europe according to Wikipedia. Now thee are some people who will make radical changes to laws, once they have the political might. Experts seem to think that their level of growth will actually increase in the coming years.
March 8th, 2010 at 19:43
Holysmokes: That is scary… Is that one of the why the US is over there fighting?
March 8th, 2010 at 20:38
John – ‘fraid not. But we could hope… 😉 Just kidding.
Last thing we need is a “holy war”.
Best way to fight islam is education.
March 8th, 2010 at 21:18
Roman Catholics may hide their proclivity
behind dogmas and statuesque nativity
But they can’t hide their ways
Some are pedophiles – not gays.
And we are all victims of naivety.
March 8th, 2010 at 21:38
I’ll leave this quote for the gays to discuss,something of which I know very little about.
March 8th, 2010 at 21:49
That has never stopped you before.
March 8th, 2010 at 21:53
Damn. I might have just lost a bet.
March 8th, 2010 at 22:03
Nope, its been over ten days ….bummer :o)
March 8th, 2010 at 22:12
John,
I do think that is one of the reasons the US is over there, although the government will never admit to such a thing. The truth is; there is only one major reason the US is in the middle East. That black stuff that we pump out of the ground.
I don’t recall the US getting intimately involved in countless atrocities in Africa over the years. No oil. They were happy to let others take the lead in Bosnia. No oil. Ahhhh, but the middle East, well that’s another matter. I got stuck over there for the first gulf war, but managed to retire prior to the second one. Oil makes the world go around. Europe and the West will never allow a major disruption to occur, especially over infighting between muslim countries.
I think protecting energy will surpass religions as the most common reason for humans to kill each other in the next 100 years.
March 8th, 2010 at 22:16
Holy – which is why I support all the alternatives to fossil fuel – starve the beast.
March 8th, 2010 at 22:35
I agree.